TSA to buy 24KK of 357Sig hollow point ammo over next five years.
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Sam Cade
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Infowars right? :banghead:
It isn't really a big deal.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...ce5905df7f3bc9f2427c22131e9&tab=core&_cview=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDIQ
The DHS includes not only the TSA but also small agencies like the Secret Service, INS (read that as Border Patrol in this case), Customs and the Coast Guard.
The Air Marshals alone should be consuming more than million rounds a rear for training purposes and qualifications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Air_Marshal_Service
It isn't really a big deal.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportu...ce5905df7f3bc9f2427c22131e9&tab=core&_cview=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDIQ
The DHS includes not only the TSA but also small agencies like the Secret Service, INS (read that as Border Patrol in this case), Customs and the Coast Guard.
The Air Marshals alone should be consuming more than million rounds a rear for training purposes and qualifications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Air_Marshal_Service
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Ibid: .357 SIG Duty Ammunition
Solicitation Number: HSTS07-14-R-00011
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Transportation Security Administration
Location: Headquarters TSA
Thanks for clearing that up.
Panzerschwein
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Wonder why they chose .357 sig? Seems like it would be loud on a plane and prone to overpenetration??. I'd choose .45 ACP with a nice performing JHP load like Federal HST or Gold Dots. Standard pressure.
peacebutready
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Can they handle the recoil/shoot it proficiently?
Arkansas Paul
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There will be no short supply.
They didn't call every ammunition manufacturer in existence and order all the .357 Sig they had. They likely called whichever one they have a contract with and ordered it all from one.
There will be plenty available.
RustyShackelford
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Federal LE use of .357sig .....
Federal sworn LE officers & agency procurement contracts have been for .357sig for a long, long time(even before 09/11/2001). The US Secret Service switched to .357sig in the mid 1990s.
I for one, like the .357sig for duty & CC use but the logistics/supply problems make me lean towards the .45acp, .40 or .357magnum.
I think the FAMs still carry .357sig pistols because they feed great, are powerful, fit compact & sub-compact pistols, and give match grade marksmanship.
Rusty
Federal sworn LE officers & agency procurement contracts have been for .357sig for a long, long time(even before 09/11/2001). The US Secret Service switched to .357sig in the mid 1990s.
I for one, like the .357sig for duty & CC use but the logistics/supply problems make me lean towards the .45acp, .40 or .357magnum.
I think the FAMs still carry .357sig pistols because they feed great, are powerful, fit compact & sub-compact pistols, and give match grade marksmanship.
Rusty
EvilGenius
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Politics mostly. ("Because it's what the SS uses and they're the best!")
Most of them.
BCRider
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So your 24KK =24M. There's no such thing as a "KK".
I wonder really how much of an issue it will be. As someone posted some time back about rimfire ammo makers being 34M rounds behind. There was a big bunch of hand wringing before it was pointed out that CCI makes 4M rounds of rimfire ammo a DAY. And that's only the one supplier. So 34M was less than a week worth of backlog once Federal, Remington, Winchester and whoever else was added in.
Oh yeah, and when you add on the fact that it's being done over a 5 year period this means that no one will notice anything at all for availability. At least nothing that isn't totally overshadowed by the apparent panic buying and hoarding that seems rampant in the US at the moment.
I wonder really how much of an issue it will be. As someone posted some time back about rimfire ammo makers being 34M rounds behind. There was a big bunch of hand wringing before it was pointed out that CCI makes 4M rounds of rimfire ammo a DAY. And that's only the one supplier. So 34M was less than a week worth of backlog once Federal, Remington, Winchester and whoever else was added in.
Oh yeah, and when you add on the fact that it's being done over a 5 year period this means that no one will notice anything at all for availability. At least nothing that isn't totally overshadowed by the apparent panic buying and hoarding that seems rampant in the US at the moment.
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klover
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"Wonder why they chose .357 sig? Seems like it would be loud on a plane and prone to overpenetration?"
A long time ago, I read somewhere that the choice would minimize damage to aircraft by any missed rounds.
Sure is a fun round to shoot, very flat, very snappy.
A long time ago, I read somewhere that the choice would minimize damage to aircraft by any missed rounds.
Sure is a fun round to shoot, very flat, very snappy.
24 million rounds of ammo is probably less than a weeks production spread out over 5 years, this is a small contract and no shortages will be seen. That works out to about 100 rounds of ammo per month for each of the 4000 Air Marshall's. Or about 3 rounds per day. Personally I think they should have ordered much more ammo. Only 100 rounds per month for each Air Marshall is not enough to practice with and maintain the type of proficiency they need for the types of shots they are being asked to make.
24 million rounds of ammo seems like a big number, but it's not really. Especially over a 5 year period. Do the math.
Because a 124 gr 9mm bullet at 1300-1400 fps is far less likely to over penetrate than a 45.
24 million rounds of ammo seems like a big number, but it's not really. Especially over a 5 year period. Do the math.
Because a 124 gr 9mm bullet at 1300-1400 fps is far less likely to over penetrate than a 45.
Nighthawk0083
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You also need to remember that the number 24 million is the contract number and not the actual amount they will purchase. They will probably buy significantly less. A high contract number ensures that if they do need it they can get it and it also gets them a better price. Dont buy into the BS that others are saying that the govt is buying up all the ammunition, it is simply not true.
Elkins45
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I'm happy they are buying all that 357 Sig because it means a good supply of cheap once fired brass.
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