TSA- "watch that attitude"

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Banned items in luggage bring TSA fines

By Laura Parker
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON -- When Mojdeh Rohani flew home to Boston after her wedding last fall, security screeners at Baltimore-Washington International Airport found a silver-plated cake serving set in her carry-on bag. She had forgotten that she had the utensils, which were a wedding gift.

Officials allowed her to check the bag and take a later flight. She didn't think of the incident again -- until she got a notice from the Transportation Security Agency fining her $150 for her oversight.

''I wasn't told I could get fined for this,'' Rohani says. ''There was no sign at the airport. I think $150 is a lot of money for something that wasn't intentional.''

A year ago, the TSA quietly began assessing fines against airline passengers who violate security policies. But it wasn't until this week that it issued guidelines that specify which of the thousands of passengers who turn up every day with knives, box cutters and other banned items will be fined.

B]'Attitude'' is listed among the ''aggravating factors'' that can result in a fine. Other criteria include the type of item, evidence of a passenger's intent and history of previous violations. Civil penalties now range from $250 to $10,000.[/B]


Passengers attempting to carry firearms on board, loaded or unloaded, face the highest civil penalties as well as possible criminal prosecution. Since February 2002, the TSA has seized more than 1,650 guns from airline passengers.

TSA spokesman Mark Hatfield said Thursday that he was unable to disclose the number of passengers who have been fined so far because the agency's legal department computers are temporarily inaccessible. The new guidelines were posted Wednesday on the agency's Web site.

At least 800 people had been fined through last October, according to a California lawyer who spoke with TSA's chief counsel on behalf of Susan Brown Campbell, a Los Angeles attorney who was fined $150 for having a steak knife in her briefcase. Campbell, who like Rohani was stopped at BWI, says she forgot she had the knife, which she used to cut apples and cheese.

Each day, the TSA intercepts more than 15,000 prohibited items at airports across the USA. Since February 2002, TSA has confiscated more than 3 million knives and more than 57,000 incendiary devices such as fireworks, TSA Assistant Administrator Tom Blank told Congress last week.

U.S. Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the House aviation subcommittee, which oversees the TSA, questioned how the guidelines could be uniformly applied. ''Where do they draw the line if they are confiscating that many items every day,'' he says. ''Judging attitude is extraordinarily subjective. . . . Unless they felt it was intentional, then the person should be given a warning.''

DeFazio says he has arrived at airport checkpoints carrying his mustache scissors and has been allowed to mail them to himself. ''The TSA could be in trouble for not equally applying the law,'' he says. ''They didn't fine me for my mustache scissors, but they did fine someone else for a cake knife.''

Campbell initially wanted to contest the fine in a hearing before an administrative judge.

''I got a call back from an attorney at TSA. He went on to be very, very intimidating, asking if I knew . . . that the penalty could be up to $10,000,'' Campbell says. She asked for a hearing in Los Angeles; when it was scheduled for Baltimore she chose not to pursue it. But she hasn't paid the fine, and last week she got another notice from the TSA: The fine had been increased to $300.[
 
TSA...

When I returned from a funeral in Las Vegas last weekend, I unpacked my carry on bag.

In addition to a book and some magazines for the flight, I packed a change of underwear and my toiletries in the carry-on, from past experience at being "stranded" overnight due to weather, plane delays, missed connections etc.

At the bottom I found that I had carried on the plane, to and from Las Vegas, a pair of....




Nail clippers. :eek:

The horror.

Leaving Vegas I also got my first taste of the full wanding and pat-down. I was so tired waiting up for the 12:30 red-eye back to Milwaukee that I left my cellphone and watch in my pockets, and went through the metal detector three times before I found all my items.
 
I've had a TSA droid get fresh with me about my "attitude". Nothing makes me more angry than flying commercial. I can't wait until I only fly private.
 
I would probably have gotten fined a bunch for my "attitude" had this been in full effect in Nov. 2002, when I caught the TSA goon trying to "palm" my travellers checks at Cleveland, OH Hopkins airport.

Not getting fined/arrested probably something to do with me screaming for the Police, FBI, etc while holding said goon in a reverse wrist-lock with my envelope of Traveller's Checks sticking out of his sleeve.

During said boarding, the 5 obviously Middle-East men of age 18-30 went right through without even a question, while MY carry-on bag gets dumped on the table, and my shoes taken for the "explosive residue swab test". Before said goon tries stealing my money.

TSA ? ?

Hork! Pitoo!
 
During said boarding, the 5 obviously Middle-East men of age 18-30 went right through without even a question, while MY carry-on bag gets dumped on the table, and my shoes taken for the "explosive residue swab test". Before said goon tries stealing my money.

It would be wrong to investigate them as it would be racial profiling. As a 32 year old natural born citizen with insufficient melanin content (i.e. Caucasian) who only flys on a freaking FEDERAL GOV'T ticket using FEDERAL GOV'T ID, it is only appropriate that I get searched every freaking time!!!

This concludes my personal rant.
 
Not getting fined/arrested probably something to do with me screaming for the Police, FBI, etc while holding said goon in a reverse wrist-lock with my envelope of Traveller's Checks sticking out of his sleeve.

Full disclosure, please.

I have a feeling this is going to be good, but the ending might just tick me off (slap on the wrist for said goon).
 
Great. The creatures steal your lighters and pen knives, then fine you for the privilege! I'd rather live in a third world nation where bribes are commonplace. I'll take my corruption and tyranny straight up, thank you.
 
Call me crazy, but the US Constitution (the Fifth Amendment) states: “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.†Well, $100 is certainly property and TSA has not taken this to court, where a jury of peers are empowered to adjudge guilt or innocence.
 
Call me crazy, but the US Constitution (the Fifth Amendment) states: “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.†Well, $100 is certainly property and TSA has not taken this to court, where a jury of peers are empowered to adjudge guilt or innocence.

Come now, RWK........where were you when they ran the Bill of Rights through the cuisinart???? It happened a long time ago, and they continue to celebrate the occasion everyday in DC and many state capitals.

Until such a time as we citizens stop accepting (read "electing or re-electing") public officials who do not respect the Constitution, we will have to put up with this crap.

As for the TSA, I have cut my commercial air tavel to about 15% of what it was 3 years ago (over 100,000 miles/year back then). I now drive or "telecommute" to my business meeting whenever possible. If all the business travelers did this , we would put the TSA out of business (and, unfortunately, the commercial airlines).
 
J Jones:

Going to Miami to get on a cruise. First thing is that the E-Ticket confirmation numbers don't work. Have to check in at counter. 45 minute wait before we can get baggage checked go through "security". Get to the security counter...wife goes through, Sissy goes through, I have carry-on, so I get stopped. "Something we can't ID in your bag." Bag gets DUMPED OUT on the table...explosive residue swabbed, and they want my shoes, too. Mean time, 5 men in the 18-30 age bracket, of obvious ME descent, and speaking some language...NOT Spanish, go right through without even a second look. 3 eventually are on my flight, but I digress.

TSA goon has rummaged through my bag contents, scattered them about the table, then says "You can go." Discussion about him putting the stuff back in my bag, which he declines to do...untill I get somewhat loud, and all the rest of the TSA goons are watching. I demand a Supervisor, and the guy starts cramming stuff back in my bag. Super shows up, and i explain what is going on. Something about the original goon isn't quite right, and then I see an envelope sticking out of his sleeve, with the bright orange line on the edge.

I start screaming that he has stolen my Traveller's Checks, and I reach over and grab him in a quick twisty wrist lock, so that he doesn't escape. Super and cops are wandering closer very fast, and I'm screaming for the Cops & FBI's to come over. I grab the envelope sticking out of his sleeve, and show that it indeed is travellers checks with my name on them. I demand that he be arrested for grand theft ($1,500 in TC's), but the Super leads him away to a back room somewhere. Don't know what happened after that, but I got a lot more hassles. At the gate, they dump my carry-on again, and again with the shoes.

Getting off the cruise, I get stopped by INS...i have passport, driver's license, etc. "Sir, this pictures don't look like you."

Get the full inspection of luggage by Customs, too, before getting to the airport. Miami airport was just as much fun....E-ticket doesn't work, carry-on gets dumped again, shoe & bag swab for Eplosive residue, etc. Same at the gate.

TSA ? ? Hork! Pitoo!!
 
There is a whole lot of the world that is inaccessable to me now. My tolerance for this kind of ignorance is zero any more. It's best for everyone concerned that TSA and I never meet.

I still don't understand why TSA's budget isn't totally devoted to paying settlements. Real peace officers get sued all the time. What's up aren't there any lawyers willing to file civil rights suits against TSA?

Jeff
 
every day with knives, box cutters

confiscated more than 3 million knives

seized more than 1,650 guns

***? you want to know why your flight was delayed....

You'd have to be living in a cave not to know you can't bring these on a plane. I'll give you a nail clipper isn't likely to inflict grave bodily harm, i'll even spot you the racial profiling, but come on, guns and knives!

:banghead:
 
I'm showing my advanced wrinkled age here.

Do any of you remember Underground Comics, in general, and "The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers" in particular? I mind the episode in which the eponymous dirty hippies went to Disneyland. They knew they'd have problems with the Security guys, so they carefully disguised themselves as ordinary drones.

They made it past the Grooming Inspectors, past the Clothing Inspectors (had to show labels) but one of them came to grief on the dreaded (shudder) ATTITUDE INSPECTOR. I think it was Phineas who dared to say something non-servile to the pecksniffish security weenies, causing a panic. "Guards, help,alert! This hippy is making trouble!"

After that the muscle guys in polo shirts and mouseketeer hats showed up with their truncheons and it went down as Mr. Shelton wrote, "Whackety whump, crackety crump!" on the guy's head.

Well, it's an ill wind indeed which blows no-one good. As I recall, the other two hippies tried to console Phineas for his travails by showing him all the money they'd made selling oregano and baking powder to moronic UCLA undergraduates. snork

(If they start hanging people for having a bad attitude I'll be among the first to go. Orthonym)
 
So let me get this absolutely claer and straight:

I can be fined for not having a good attitude?????

Well that just plain sucks! What do these clowns think they're doing; and just wo in the Hell do they think they are?!?

Was that a qualifying bad attitude; or do I have to stamp my feet, too?
 
I think it is only a matter of time before TSA participates in case law that protects the rights of travellers.
 
This ain't hard, folks...

Boycott the dufuses- and then tell your Congressworm why. I was against subsidizing the industry after 9/11, because throwing government money at any problem rarely does anything to improve it. I am against subsidizing it with my own money until they straighten it out. I am sure as hell against subjecting myself to fines, based on the discretion of some glorified little tin dictator. Foghornl's example stands on it's own merit.

TSA has become a multi-million dollar mall ninja outfit, that happens to be situated at airports instead of the Mudville mall. Don't fly if any other usable means of transportation can be substituted. There will still be times when you have to, and there's nothing to do in those cases except grit your teeth and wade in.
 
TSA becomes the Government's Latest Cash Cow

Got that right. If they wanted to speed up the security screen, reduce travel aggravations, reduce cost and make flights safer, they would do a better job of educating the traveler.

A year ago, the TSA quietly began assessing fines against airline passengers who violate security policies. But it wasn't until this week that it issued guidelines that specify which of the thousands of passengers who turn up every day with knives, box cutters and other banned items will be fined. ....At least 800 people had been fined through last October... Each day, the TSA intercepts more than 15,000 prohibited items at airports across the USA. Since February 2002, TSA has confiscated more than 3 million knives and more than 57,000 incendiary devices such as fireworks, TSA Assistant Administrator Tom Blank told Congress last week.

I like the "quietly" statement. Guess you can't continue to rack up the ridiculous statistics or the big bucks if you inform everyone of the rules.
 
Cosmoline's,

"I'd rather live in a third world nation where bribes are commonplace. I'll take my corruption and tyranny straight up, thank you."

There's 3rd world counties where "mordida is the exchange. Sad that we've yet to "evolve" to this higher state.

"I can be fined for not having a good attitude?????"[/I[

But of course, & dintcha know? ;) Sorry, but "being obtuse" is now a criminal offense.

& Strange1,

"***? you want to know why your flight was delayed....

You'd have to be living in a cave not to know you can't bring these on a plane. I'll give you a nail clipper isn't likely to inflict grave bodily harm, i'll even spot you the racial profiling, but come on, guns and knives!"


C'mon! Sport!

We used to fly with these things all the time & there was no problem. I flew w/a stinking shotgun when I was 15!

You wanna describe a weapon? Try a rolled up magazine - stuffed into yer belly makes a hell of a decent billy-club-thing.

You have bought into the "safety aspect," of which there is none to be had - ever!, & you'll subscribe to the "no weapons" policy solely based on your own ignorance. Somebody wants to take over a plane = they can do-so, IF, the passengers allow it, & if they will, no matter what weapon you have will prevent that - conversely.

The mind-set of the passengers decides whether or not a plane is hi-jacked.
 
& BTW, first time I ever flew commercial w/o fully-automatic weapons was in ~ 91, or so, a private enterprise - every other time, I had at least an M16, & was also the "cargo-currier"- thing of being totally responsible for "anti-hi-jack" responsibilities - I do have some experience with this.
 
I've flown 4 times since 9/11, every single time, I get nabbed for all the extra security checks. I swear, next time I'm gonna wear my kilt ( & go regimental!) and see what happens when I get searched.
I'm SO sure that lot's of bald-headed old guys named 'Bob Smith' are involved in international terrorism.
 
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