TSA- "watch that attitude"

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I hate to state the obvious, but why does TSA have to fine people or confiscate things like nail clippers? They did come up with a good excuse, right?

Throughout my life whenever I thought of the word police state I pictured a bunch of people standing helplessly, unable to speak out for fear of legal action while JBTs go through their stuff and confiscate stuff needlessly or look for harmless contraband. Looks like it finally happened, America has become a police state. I can not wait for this to spread to cruise ships and trains. Then it will be any important buildings or locations such as parks, capitols, etc, etc.

How many terrorists have they caught so far? I can not be the only one who thinks that any bad guys would not try the same thing twice, especially with all of the passengers knowing know what they did not know then.

If no one challenges the fines, then the government will do it again in some other place in a similar way, eventually the fifth amendment will be dead in every respect of the word.

And people wonder why I do not vote Rino or Dino any more. Every year this country gets worse, and the excuses get dumber or some times do not exist.
 
I went through DIA just days ago. I was amazed at how aggressive the TSA people were acting. They were SHOUTING commands at the passengers being screened. It was like the movies about Marine Bootcamp. Things like "Move the line Up! Up! Up! UP! Halt there! Move no farther!" This was just to check boarding pass and ID. The people at the screening were shouting orders too. The fellow in front of me said that the week before a person in front of him started getting upset and that the TSA zeroed in on him. He said they got in his face and were asking him if he had any problems. The terrorists hated our freedoms and they are successfully destroying them....using the TSA:fire:
 
Someone already hinted at this, but under what authority do they fine you? A police officer can't fine you for a bad attitude, why can the TSA?
 
You'd have to be living in a cave not to know you can't bring these on a plane. I'll give you a nail clipper isn't likely to inflict grave bodily harm, i'll even spot you the racial profiling, but come on, guns and knives!
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Let us not forget that they have confiscated GI Joe "guns" and the article was about a silver-plate cake "knife." Just wait 'til they ban pens and pencils and call them "stabbing tools."

All this really proves is that people were perfectly safe for all the years of flying prior to 9/11 with their fellow passengers carring these things, and they'd still be perfectly safe with them now.

Unfortunately, the sheeple at large are far to silly to realize that the number of "contraband" objects confiscated has no relation whatsoever to increased safety, and they're too pacified to be outraged that a government agency is now arrogantly asserting that the entire American populace are all "possible terrorists."

'S funny: I'm old enough to remember my father reducing any number of government bureaucrats from size-10 egos to size-2 egos by giving them his "Don't give me that attitude son, you work for the government, and that means I'm your employer and you work for me, because my taxes pay your salary! Now get your butt in motion," speech. Who'd think to do that these days?

Dex
 
I'm old enough to remember my father reducing any number of government bureaucrats from size-10 egos to size-2 egos by giving them his "Don't give me that attitude son, you work for the government, and that means I'm your employer and you work for me, because my taxes pay your salary! Now get your butt in motion," speech. Who'd think to do that these days?
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That's a b*tch slap and a half. I'll have to try that some day when i don't particularly care about spending a night in prison for a good cause. :D

By the way, anyone know how the fines are enforced? Are JBT's gonna raid my "compound" if i don't pay? Is there any way to set a court date? If you can't, it's completely rediculus, because you can for a $10 parking ticket.
 
Boy, you guys are so insensitive. :(

Why, the TSA are just a bunch of misunderstood, really darned good people ;)

:barf: :barf: :barf:



Try this one... I'm in the Marine Corps (15 years now), I travel on official orders, with my official passport, military ID, etc., and I always get the extra security checks; ALWAYS. :cuss: TSA, INS, Customs, it never fails... :fire:

Let me see... six foot tall white guy with mostly shaved head, traveling under military documents... probably a neo-nazi terrorist in disguise... attempting to covertly penetrate security...

Oh yeah, did I forget to mention I'm a member of the Marine Corps Security Force Battalion; basically the largest antiterrorism unit in the U.S. military?

Clearly I must be an undercover Al-Qaeda operative... :barf:
 
Don't fly if any other usable means of transportation can be substituted.
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There it is, speak loud and clear with your pocketbook, we the consumer have
the power to stop much of what is happening to us but we're too weak and
lazy to do so.:fire:
 
Wasn't intending to post tonight, was just lurkin and smirkin,

trying to be good while suffering from the Budweiser (Tm) effect.

But then I saw bradvanhorn's post above. If he's not safe, no one is safe from these people. What was it Jerry Pournelle said about a stupid man (or TSA robot) who thinks he's doing his duty?

Bradvanhorn, for God's sake ask your next-up commander just exactly how much of this you are lawfully required to put up with when travelling officially, and say NO at the no point. Find out the TSA regs! (assuming they're not, uh, a SECRET)

Wussy hippies (see my post above) and people like myself may have to cheat to get around such folks, but one would think a serious senior Marine armed with not only credentials, but also knowlege and loyal backup from his chain of command should be able to prevail.
 
Each day, the TSA intercepts more than 15,000 prohibited items at airports across the USA. Since February 2002, TSA has confiscated more than 3 million knives and more than 57,000 incendiary devices such as fireworks, TSA Assistant Administrator Tom Blank told Congress last week.
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And to think that less than 50% are found. And the planes are not falling out of the sky.

Does the gov really think "terrorists" are going to get caught by the TSA? Which brings up another point made earlier: Have any terrorists been arrested for smuggling nail clippers in their checked baggage? Or is that a secret too?

Yet another massive government program designed to satisfy the sheeple that is bloated, unaccountable, and which violates our rights to be secure in our persones, effects and property.

The icing on the cake is the counter-terrorist getting the treatment :what:
 
Oh yeah, I have another entertaining fact, although this is about the NCIC vice TSA. I've had a Top Secret security clearance ever since I joined the Corps. What no one realized is that if you have or had a TS clearance, and maybe other types as well, you are coded with something or another in the NCIC database. So, whenever I go to purchase a gun, the store calls the NCIC and asks for the authorization. I am delayed every single time. Why? Because the people at NCIC see the code, they don't know what it means, so I get delayed until they figure it out. Oh well, at least it's a better system than having to go to the court house to wait for a purchase permit (as under the old system).
 
Is there any way to set a court date? If you can't, it's completely rediculus, because you can for a $10 parking ticket.
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Just from what I see in the article it looks like the answer is "yes and no". You can appeal it, but it is in an "administrative hearing", not in court. So far as practical effect it is much the same thing (presiding judge is not a "judge" but an Administrative Law Judge- basically the same thing), but in theory it is far different. Of course, do you want to? The woman in the article fined for the cake knife decided to appeal and was called by a TSA lawyer and threatened- being told in an intimidating fashion (as reported in the article) that the fine can be raised to $10K and having them raise it to $300 (before going to an administrative hearing) simply for asserting your rights and appealing is threatening.
 
The woman in the article fined for the cake knife decided to appeal and was called by a TSA lawyer and threatened- being told in an intimidating fashion (as reported in the article) that the fine can be raised to $10K and having them raise it to $300 (before going to an administrative hearing) simply for asserting your rights and appealing is threatening.
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Snick - snick ....... waiting .... :evil:
 
Chaim

-There is some confusion on the pronounciation of my name. It should not sound like the beginning of the word (and name) Chamberlain. It is Chaim, sometimes spelled Hayim or Hayyim. It sounds like "Hi" "im" or "Hi" "m"- again, pronounced as Hi' im. Thanks.
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So you don't do that Jewish back-of-the-throat thing which would be "Hkaim"?

My friend Chaim has always been "Hkiam" to me and everyone else who knows him.
 
Jim, I figured it was best to not bother with the gutteral "H" sound, it is enough if people when they first meet me no longer think that it is pronounced like the beginning of the word "chamber". But yes, it does have the hard "h" sound at the beginning- ch (kind of like combining a "k" and "h" sound, but without actually pronouncing the k) aim. Chaim (Chai m). Also, I figured my sig line was getting long enough already and I didn't need to add yet another explaination to it:D
 
My point about the three sleazy hippies, in my post above, was this:

The two sneaky devious criminal ones slid right through the "security" checkpoint, while the forthright, honest one got his head thumped for his temerity.
 
Once again, if your travel do so only for your job, anything else, walk, ride a bike, hitch, donkey, etc. vote with your cash, let them keep there seats.!!!
 
Could just buy your own airplane. They're expensive to buy, feed and keep maintained, but after a few trips through the TSA nightmare of attitude fines it might be cheaper in the long run. Besides, there aren't any checkpoints in the private side of the airports I've been to/through.
 
Good Point, YM

... but I'm getting old enough that I would sweat the Medical. Maybe that new Sport Pilot licence would help?

I think I may have enough room in the garage to build a Pietenpol or Fly Baby, but knowing how long it takes most people to finish a homebuilt, I can just imagine the mold spores having 20 years to set up their homesteads. Those Zenair folks sell some aluminum airplane kits, more suitable for the land of dampness and decay here.

A shame. I do think fabric-covered wooden airplanes are the coolest ones.
 
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