Type of Gun in Florida Doughnut Shop Discharge?

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The news is reporting that a guy had a legally possessed gun 'fall' from his clothing (another story said he dropped it). It then discharged and a bystander received non-life threatening injuries. The guy had a permit and no criminal record.

There may be something to learn from this incident. Does anyone know what type of gun was involved? Whether it discharged from striking the floor, did the guy try to grab it in midair and pull the trigger accidentally or something else? How did it come to leave it's holster (or was he not using a holster?)? Link below.

http://www.local10.com/news/crime/m...in-donuts-accidentally-drops-gun-shoots-woman
 
Couple years ago I stopped at my barbershop for a haircut, for some odd reason they were closed. Next day I went back to find them open. They told me the story of what happened the day before.

A longtime customer came in and hung up his jacket and got a haircut. When finished he paid and took his coat off the rack. At this point his carry gun fell out of his coat pocket fell on the floor and discharged. The bullet went through one of the barber chairs and struck my barber friend in the buttocks. Nothing life threatening but he told me they don't want to remove the bullet because it's not hurting anything. He confessed that he can feel it if he sits in a hard chair.

They couldn't tell me what the gun was but I'm sure it was junk in a bad fitting holster. I'll take a guess the story you're asking about is very similar.
 
This is why I cringe every time someone raves about how much they love their new "pocket carry gun" or asks what kind of "pocket carry gun" they should buy or what kind of pants they should buy to "pocket carry" their gun. A loaded gun is not something you just drop in your pocket like it was a cell phone. If you can't bring yourself to wear a belt and a holster that positively secures your gun to your body then please just leave your gun at home. It's not a cell phone - it's a loaded firearm and it should be treated like one.
 
There's a lesson to be learned here..... It's too bad it had to involve a negligent discharge. If you carry, then ALWAYS do so in a safe and secure manner. Like Drail said, "A loaded gun is not something you just drop in your pocket like it was a cell phone". That pretty well sums up what I was gonna say, (but he beat me to it). We still don't know what the OP was wondering about concerning what type of gun it was, what caused it to discharge? was he wearing a holster? etc. Seems the media folks never get around to reporting those types of details. Even if they did, they'd probably get it wrong anyway.
 
The jerk "ran away" instead of calling for help? Not the type of idiot who should own a gun. And proof that guns are not for everyone. Good reason to revoke his permit and his gun rights.
 
"This is why I cringe every time someone raves about how much they love their new "pocket carry gun" or asks what kind of "pocket carry gun" they should buy or what kind of pants they should buy to "pocket carry" their gun."

Not to derail the OP but what does pocket carry have to do with this? I've never had a gun fall out of my pocket. My main issue with it in fact is that it is too difficult to remove a gun from your pocket quickly
 
No info in the story what gun or method carry. Not enough in the story to even allow jumping to conclusions.

I make a point of testing a carry rig around the house (gun loaded with primed cases) through everyday routine, before carrying in public.

I have found a combo of gun and holster that was less secure than pocket carry of the gun.
 
My biggest safety concern from these stories is guns going off when dropped. Properly designed modern handguns cannot fire when dropped. And no one should carry a handgun that is not drop safe. In my opinion, this should be the take away safety lesson from these incidents.

I also want to address the safety of pocket carry. I apologize if this is off topic for the thread, but it has already been discussed a bit.

I do not believe the pocket carry is less safe than other methods. Like other methods, pocket carry has some required safety practices. Here are the practices I use and recommend:
  • Use of a pocket holster which covers the trigger is required.
  • Nothing else can go in the pocket with the gun and holster.
  • Make sure that the pocket holds the handgun securely during normal movement.
If good practices are not followed, then any means of carry can be unsafe. I have seen belt holsters with poor retention and an exposed trigger that I believe are less safe than pocket carry.

As another poster mentioned, a more serious disadvantage of pocket carry is that it often does not provide good access. But that does not create a risk of negligent discharge.
 
This permit holder needs to be shown and exposed as an example of an irresponsible, careless or negligent carrier; at the very least held responsible for civil damages.

The 2nd amendment conveys as much responsibility as it does a right. Our rights will not survive if we don't accept responsibility for our actions.

"Liberty is not free" if I may paraphrase a popular platitude.
 
I guess even MMA competitors sometimes feel the need to carry guns for self-defense.

https://www.thehumantrainer.com/mma-fighter-randy-venezuela-barroso-is-an-astone-athlete/
The linked story says he dropped the gun, not that it "fell".
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Found another story that says the "gun fell from Barroso's clothing".
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-coconut-creek-gun-goes-off-20170211-story.html

He was arrested after he turned himself in. Charges are "culpable negligence". Probably didn't help that he initially left the scene.

If you're going to carry a gun, you have the responsibility to insure that you do so safely. That includes choosing a gun that is drop safe. It includes a carry method that holds the gun securely. That includes not playing with your gun in public. Sounds like Mr. Barroso failed on at least one count, probably two.
 
Drail said:
This is why I cringe every time someone raves about how much they love their new "pocket carry gun" or asks what kind of "pocket carry gun" they should buy...
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The only time I have ever personally dropped a gun, it fell out of a holster. Specifically, I bent over to do something and my gun fell out of a very popular name brand nylon holster of a kind I see in pretty much every store that sells holsters. A holster that was recommended to me for concealed carry (and also the last nylon holster I hope I'll ever buy). Fortunately that happened in my home and the result was some swearing and buying a different holster, not a discharge, but that's more because it was a properly designed gun than anything else.

I have a gun in my pocket just about any time I have pants on and it has never come out of my pocket unless I deliberately took it out.
 
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(I don't know what others wear, but my jeans pockets are extreme weapons retention compared to some holsters.)

Following the news. The guy who dropped the gun ran after it discharged. He may or may not have known the woman was injured. Still flight = guilt, very bad move after a shooting intentional or not.
After it hit the news, he turned himself in at the P.D. and gave a statement. He was charged with culpable negligence and jailed with $500 bail. He has been made an example.
 
Ed Ames said:
The only time I have ever personally dropped a gun, it fell out of a holster. Specifically, I bent over to do something and my gun fell out of a very popular name brand nylon holster of a kind I see in pretty much every store that sells holsters. A holster that was recommended to me for concealed carry (and also the last nylon holster I hope I'll ever buy). Fortunately that happened in my home and the result was some swearing and buying a different holster, not a discharge, but that's more because it was a properly designed gun than anything else.

I have a gun in my pocket just about any time I have pants on and it has never come out of my pocket unless I deliberately took it out.
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Same here. It happened, one time, in my garage at home. My S&W 442 fell out of a nice name brand pocket holster as I was putting it in my right front pocket of some loose cargo type shorts and landed barrel pointing at my groin. No discharge. Stupidest thing I have done in 65 years of living. Now ALL my holsters have thumb straps and I rarely, if ever, pocket carry.
 
Ed and Carl, I share your sentiments on security or picket carry. (pants that is)
I suspect that nylon holster is made by someones Uncle, I cringe when I see one with a gun in it but there are numerous leather slide and open top holsters with the potential for a gun to be pushed or pulled as well as some minimalist synthetics.
The coat pocket is probably the worst, especially if it is to be taken on and off.
 
A gun that "fits" in the pocket isn't necessarily a pocket gun, judging by some of the posts I've seen of gun forums I'll bet there's more than a few guns that fall out of pockets.
 
Drail said:
This is why I cringe every time someone raves about how much they love their new "pocket carry gun" or asks what kind of "pocket carry gun" they should buy or what kind of pants they should buy to "pocket carry" their gun. A loaded gun is not something you just drop in your pocket like it was a cell phone. If you can't bring yourself to wear a belt and a holster that positively secures your gun to your body then please just leave your gun at home. It's not a cell phone - it's a loaded firearm and it should be treated like one.
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I don't yet own anything that small but I was under the impression there is such a thing as a "pocket holster"?
 
For the record, I once dropped my 686+ from a height of about 4 feet. To my extreme relief, nothing happened except that I probably got a few new gray hairs during the descent.
 
Just cause a person has a carry permit doesn`t mean accidents won`t happen.
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It seems most of the opinion here is that "accidentally" dropping a gun is negligent.

Like the OP, I'm more interested in knowing the actual gun that discharged when dropped. I agree that no modern gun in good repair should discharge when dropped, knowing about which ones have discharged when dropped is very important information IMHO. Its also very important to know if it discharged when it actually hit the floor or when he attempted to "catch" it as it fell.

Any gun I carry has been loaded with a primed case and dropped multiple times from about shoulder height before I carry it so I can have confidence that it is safe to carry.
 
We had an incident in my neck of the woods where a gun fell out of coat pocket, hit the floor and discharged into a lady messing her up pretty bad. IIRC it was one of those inexpensive 2 shot .38 caliber derringers, maybe a Cobra. (Not a good one like the Bond.) The man had 'forgotten' it was in his coat pocket, possibly for a year or so. It was ruled an accident by the police, no criminal charges filed, however civil suits followed.

So point is, some modern manufactured handguns do still have some of these issues.

(BTW, I pocket carry every day. 9mm in a Blackhawk pocket holster. Don't feel unsafe with it.)


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So point is, some modern manufactured handguns do still have some of these issues.
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Reproducing a 100+ year old design without addressing its original design flaws is certainly something that IMHO borders on irresponsible if marketed for self-defense or carry purposes.
 
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