Uberti '58 Remington Carbine w/forestock

[Old Dragoon]

Here's a couple pictures of my 1992 Uberti '58 Rem. Carbine.
Major in FL. put a forestock on it for the previous owner. It is just for looks as you do NOT want to use it when firing this piece. the TG has a hook for the offhand so you can keep your fingers.



I think the Major did a great job on the fore stock. to load the piece you depress the bbl band keeper, remove the Barrel band, pull the stock back to release the rammer, rotate the rammer down with the stock, twist 1/2 turn and the forestock comes off. load as usual, reverse the process with the forestock, replace the barrel band, shoot. Forestock is from an origianl 45-70 parts gun.

 

[Yankee John]

I like the look of the forestock on the Carbine! I think that it definately adds more visual "balance" to the gun.

What kind of gun is the forestock from? It almost looks like it came from a cut-down M91/30 Mosin Nagant stock.

Thanks for the pics Charlie!

John

P.S. Beautiful woodgrain on the butt stock!

 

[Old Dragoon]

YJ,
The forestock is from an original 45-70 of some sort. Major/Major231 at the Open Road or CAS SCORRS forum can tell you, he built it.
The Carbine is stock as a stove 14 year old Uberti. Rear stock is original to the gun. This piece has not been fired yet. It was loaded to shoot Sunday and then we were snowed out. I think I'm going to like the carbine. Even though your face is closer to the flash. I shot a flintlock for several years so I don't think it'll bother me. I will wear shooters glasses though. and keep my offhand under the TG and not on the forestock.
Another interesting thing about this carbine. The chambers mic .450 and the bore mic'd .449 grooves. Quite a bit smaller than the Uberti pistols of today.
We are having our first sidematch in April %0 and 100 yd rifle match. I can't wait to see what she does at that match.

 

[gmatov]

OD,

Looks to be about 20 inches. What's she look like without the forearm? Just wonder if it wouldn't look better.

Handier to carry with, depending on the balance point.

Hope you get to shoot it soon.

Cheers,

George

Man, I'm hungry!

 

[Weird Guy]

I would have thought you would want a Bipod with a rifle like that.

But then again if you want to be closer to a period piece you would just use "buffalo sticks." Two sticks tied together with a bit of leather or rope in an "X" configurations, or you hold them together with your off hand (not recommended with this rifle because of the possibility of chain fire.

This also starts to look a lot like a Roots Sidehammer rifle, which was a full length six shooter rifle, though the hammer was obviously on the side, hence the name. Dixie Gun Works sells them.

 

[Old Dragoon]

George,
I think the BBL is 18" lgth. As to carrying it, the forestock adds next to nothing in weight, and it balances fine, I have made a leather scabbard for it and will put a strap to carry over my shoulder, open a ways down so i can retrieve it without taking the scabbard off. Over my shoulder retrieval.
Itching to shoot it and my new Euroarms "58 Remmy pistol.

 

[Steve499]

I think the Root sidehammer revolvers and revolving rifles sold by Dixie are made by Palmetto. I would rather spend $1200.00 on lottery tickets than a revolving rifle made by Palmetto. There would at least be a chance of getting something for my money, that way!

Steve

 

[sundance44s]

I was at dixie gun works this morning ... and just had to handle the root revolveing rifle they had on display .... its longer than i thought of it .. really felt nice to hands , seems like it would have been a choice rifle for the time , but ya don`t hear much about them , maybe too expencive back then too .

 

[Weird Guy]

They are probably rare because the rifles are difficult to use.

You do NOT hold the rifle up with the foregrip. You can lose fingers that way if it chain fires.

You have to keep both hands on the rear grip. That is a pain in the butt to hold that long rifle up that way. A carbine obviously is easier to hold up, and that is what Old Dragoon mentioned about having the extra thumb hole in the brass trigger guard. You can hook your off hand into that fancy brasswork to get a good grip.

That is why I would modify a revolver rifle to have a built in bipod, or use a shooting stand like old matchlocks sometimes had. A long pole with a "U" brace on top, and hold onto the pole with your off hand.

Another thing you can do is take off the metal butt plate, drill a hollowed out chamber in the end of the stock and fill it up permanently with lead bullets or lead shotgun shot as a counterweight. This could put the balance point behind the trigger, making it easier to hold up from just the handle and stock.

 

[Old Dragoon]

This Carbine balances pretty well with the forestock on or off. I'll let you know how she shoots when I finally get to the range again. :banghead:

 

[Weird Guy]

I started a new thread about the possiblities to convert the Roots rifle.

This probably would be do-able with this carbine of yours I would imagine. Then you could hold it by the forgrip and shoot it safely. Just buy one of the existing conversion cylinders on the market and you can fire .45 long colt.

 

[Old Dragoon]

One step ahead of you. But I will not use the forearm as a hand hold.

I have a 44 Rem, Kirst Konvertor coming for it.Actually that Conversion cylinder will swap between my two Euroarms'58's and the carbine. And I may be machinging the cylinder of my Kirst Pietta in 44 Rem. so it will do the same. I have been told that the only difference in the Pietta and Uberti 44 Rem Konvertors is the Pietta cylinder is longer by approx .018.