Undecided - Long Range Precision Rifle - Help Please

[MR WICK]

I'm a novice. And the competitions have entry level competitions. Like I said I can accurately hit 300 yards with my Savage Arms A22. I am here do listen and learn. But I need the building blocks to do so.

I want to buy a LPR but I would like to know what makes one better then the other. Any information provided is invaluable to me. Thank you.

 

[kmw1954]

. I have mastered my Savage Arms 22LR up to 300 yards. I would like to get into longer distances. Eventually, 1,000 yards.
Thanks everyone.

Have to ask now because you don't make mention of this but where are you shooting now? Private property? Public range? Is there a public range close by that shoots at 300yds or farther?

I ask this because I work PT as an RO at a public range that has the only outdoor 300 yard range available. While working there I have met a good group pf people that are shooting Precision Rifle and they are more than willing to offer advice from every aspect of the hobby.

 

[taliv]

If you don't intend to take human life with it because it's what you do for a living in law enforcement or the military, it's not a "sniper" rifle, it's a "long range" or "target" rifle. (Or long range target rifle. )

I completely agree. It's called a Long Range Percision Rifle a not until a tried and true Sniper using the rifle makes it a Sniper Rifle. Someone mentioned 6.5. The ammo for it is just too expensive. I'm going to be entering into Long Range competitions soon and want as much practice as I can get. It's not for hunting.

not to derail the thread but technically a sniper is someone who fires from a concealed position. Eg the dc sniper. There is no requirement to be tried and true or be in the military etc.


here’s the dictionary definition

a person who shoots from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range.

 

[MR WICK]

Have to ask now because you don't make mention of this but where are you shooting now? Private property? Public range? Is there a public range close by that shoots at 300yds or farther?

I ask this because I work PT as an RO at a public range that has the only outdoor 300 yard range available. While working there I have met a good group pf people that are shooting Precision Rifle and they are more than willing to offer advice from every aspect of the hobby.

I am from Vegas by way of The Bronx. I shoot in the desert and am a member of a club that has a rifle rage that goes out to 1,500 feet.

 

[Walkalong]

Because from my viewpoint it is next on the list. And that will be the narrative they use.

Yes, so don't help them out, including calling our long range rifles sniper rifles.

 

[Walkalong]

A 308 will get you to 800 yards, but 1000 yards is pushing the limits

A 24" barrel and 175s will get you to 1000 yards, but the 6.5 Creed is a better choice going in if you aren't already invested in the .308.

 

[Walkalong]

I am from Vegas by way of The Bronx. I shoot in the desert and am a member of a club that has a rifle rage that goes out to 1,500 feet.

Yards?

 

[Zerodefect]

I completely agree. It's called a Long Range Percision Rifle a not until a tried and true Sniper using the rifle makes it a Sniper Rifle. Someone mentioned 6.5. The ammo for it is just too expensive. I'm going to be entering into Long Range competitions soon and want as much practice as I can get. It's not for hunting.

Quality 308 and 6.5CM is the same price at my LGS.

Also, 6.5CM is known for it's quality of factory ammo. You can skip reloading for a while.

I'm still waiting for my Savage 12 LPR. On backorder. Ruger PR is my second choice. Scope will be a nice Trijicon 5-20x 50mm. Good for short ranges (hunting). Will pick up a Vortex Viper or SWFA fixed 10x for long range stuff.

I've seen box stock rifles shoot 0.6moa out past 800 yards with store bought ammo. More and more rifles are being ordered in 6.5 right now. 308 is fading away.

A beginner doesn't need a custom built $5000 rip off.

 

[igotta40]

One more suggestion, the Savage 110 Elite Precision. Have a look. It’s in the $2K price range. The blueprinted barreled action is set in a MDT-ACC chassis with a built in ARCA rail.

 

[kmw1954]

Yes, so don't help them out, including calling our long range rifles sniper rifles.

Only in jest to select company and I also don't call Firearms, Weapons!

 

[Varminterror]

Range is very barrel length dependent.

It is?

Crossed 1,000yrds off of the list with this one today.

 

[Varminterror]

Don’t overthink this.

Many attributes can make one rifle better than another for long range precision, but it really doesn’t take so much to reach 1,000 yards. My first time across the boundary ~25yrs ago was with Ruger “boat paddle” M77 Mark II All Weather in 270win, straight up hunting rifle with an SFP 6-24x40mm scope, with mixed Mil-dot reticle and moa based elevation adjustment. My first long range rifle of my own was a Rem 700 in 7x57mauser, just another sporter, which led me to buy a 700 Sendero, chased quickly by a snowball of purpose built factory, semi-custom, and custom rifles. I’ve taken dozens of rifles out past 1,000 since then, from Mil-surps and factory rifles to custom built heavy rifles. Gimme two days with a Ruger American or Savage 10 in one of a dozen cartridges and a decent optic to develop a load and I’d bet on myself (or a handful of the other guys which have responded here) to be able to hold under 2moa at 1,000.

I had a guy I coached wrestling with and his son out a few weeks ago with their Rem 770’s they picked up on the big blow outs this spring, stuck a couple cheap Bushnell Engage scopes on top for them, and had them banging 10” circles at 800yrds within an hour on the range - first time either had ever fired a shot past 200.

Paralysis by analysis doesn’t help you reach long range.

 

[MR WICK]

I apologize 1,500 yards.

I have been researching barrel lengths, rate of twist, barrel fluting, two stage triggers, 5R rifling, free floating barrels, and more.

I probably should have done all that before making my post.

 

[Varminterror]

I apologize 1,500 yards.

I have been researching barrel lengths, rate of twist, barrel fluting, two stage triggers, 5R rifling, free floating barrels, and more.

I probably should have done all that before making my post.

Sounds like you should have decided upon a desired distance before you thought about designing a rifle to accomplish it.

The fact barrel fluting is on your list says a lot about where you are in this journey. Same with 2 stage triggers. Talking about your DD or a Rem 700 in .308win in the context of 1500yrds... worse...

300win mag or 300PRC for 1500. Makes life easier. Same deal. Find a well built rifle and decent optic, get to a 1500 yard range with a 4moa target in front of you, walk your way out, confirming or correcting your BC as you go, and “bang....ting.”

 

[Varminterror]

A bit to the point at times but good input.

Would it really be better if I beat around the bush and wasted your time with the wrong direction? Forgive me if I don’t see value in it, and no, I don’t wring my hands over having a reputation for being blunt.

 

[ms6852]

I just am a one caliber type of guy when it comes long range and hunting which some of you may know that it is the 30-06. But at my old age if I was going to build a long-range rifle there is one caliber I would consider only and it is not the 6.5 creedmore, it would be the 26 nosler. I know it is a barrel burner but if you want long range 1000 yards is not it any longer. The 26 nosler stays supersonic to a mile with a 127 grain bullet. Just my 2¢.

 

[MR WICK]

I really leaning towards a Ruger Precision in 6.5 Creedmore or the 308.

 

[MR WICK]

Would it really be better if I beat around the bush and wasted your time with the wrong direction? Forgive me if I don’t see value in it, and no, I don’t wring my hands over having a reputation for being blunt.

Relax. I self admitted I'm a novice to LPS. I'm doing my research and looking to the forum for help. That's all man. Just want to have fun here and make some friends.

 

[Varminterror]

I really leaning towards a Ruger Precision in 6.5 Creedmore or the 308.

1500yrds with the 308win is brutal. You’ll fall transonic around 1000-1100, then fully subsonic by 1200, so making it to 1500 takes a pretty big target and the right bullet. Using the wrong bullet and load, it gets even worse from there.

6.5 creed at least hangs onto supersonic speeds out to about 1400, and isn’t out of transition until past 1500.

Much easier to 1) set your expectation for these rounds as 1000-1200, with an occasional play day at 1500-1600, or 2) choose a more suitable cartridge if you’ll be regularly shooting at 1500.

The Ruger Precision Rifle is an affordable option to achieve option 1 above, albeit a bit more expensive than some other options.

 

[LoonWulf]

Blunt tho they may be, the guys offering advice mean the best and they are worth listening to.

I honestly cant help much beyond relating some stuff IVE learned.....

Your gear really depends a lot on what YOU honestly want. "I wanna shoot 1000+yds" "I wanna see how far I can hit X size target" "I wanna compete in matches" "I wanna be competitive in matches" "I simply wanna own a really cool rifle, and shoot it at distance some" Etc.....
The gear that accomplishes those goals can be significantly different.
The gun I shoot the best and most often at distance is actually an amalgamation of spare parts or cheap aftermarket stuff, In most serious disciplines it would fall flat on its face. For what I want to do It works fantastically.

Go read all the threads Walkalong has linked, and listen to the discussions about long distance shooting and reloading (cause your PROBABLY heading that way if you get serious as a shooter), youll learn stuff, and if you reference the different opinions and conversation you can sometimes walk away ahead of the game.

Go watch/shoot with someone else at distance. It dosent matter if they are better than you or not, just watch what they do and youll learn stuff....
Im learning this with my Dad, as hes just getting into shooting "long" range. We were working at 500 last time we were out, and Tuesday were going to 6-700 if I can get us far enough back on the hill. Watching him shoot has shown me some interesting things that have improved my shooting. For better or worse Im the most capable rifle shot of my group of friends, but I/we learn stuff as a group every time were out.

 

[MR WICK]

1500yrds with the 308win is brutal. You’ll fall transonic around 1000-1100, then fully subsonic by 1200, so making it to 1500 takes a pretty big target and the right bullet. Using the wrong bullet and load, it gets even worse from there.

6.5 creed at least hangs onto supersonic speeds out to about 1400, and isn’t out of transition until past 1500.

Much easier to 1) set your expectation for these rounds as 1000-1200, with an occasional play day at 1500-1600, or 2) choose a more suitable cartridge if you’ll be regularly shooting at 1500.

The Ruger Precision Rifle is an affordable option to achieve option 1 above, albeit a bit more expensive than some other options.

What would some of your recommendations be. You seem to really know your stuff. Thank you.

 

[MR WICK]

Blunt tho they may be, the guys offering advice mean the best and they are worth listening to.

I honestly cant help much beyond relating some stuff IVE learned.....

Your gear really depends a lot on what YOU honestly want. "I wanna shoot 1000+yds" "I wanna see how far I can hit X size target" "I wanna compete in matches" "I wanna be competitive in matches" "I simply wanna own a really cool rifle, and shoot it at distance some" Etc.....
The gear that accomplishes those goals can be significantly different.
The gun I shoot the best and most often at distance is actually an amalgamation of spare parts or cheap aftermarket stuff, In most serious disciplines it would fall flat on its face. For what I want to do It works fantastically.

Go read all the threads Walkalong has linked, and listen to the discussions about long distance shooting and reloading (cause your PROBABLY heading that way if you get serious as a shooter), youll learn stuff, and if you reference the different opinions and conversation you can sometimes walk away ahead of the game.

Go watch/shoot with someone else at distance. It dosent matter if they are better than you or not, just watch what they do and youll learn stuff....
Im learning this with my Dad, as hes just getting into shooting "long" range. We were working at 500 last time we were out, and Tuesday were going to 6-700 if I can get us far enough back on the hill. Watching him shoot has shown me some interesting things that have improved my shooting. For better or worse Im the most capable rifle shot of my group of friends, but I/we learn stuff as a group every time were out.

I will check those out. Thank you.

 

[troy fairweather]

I would want 7mm minimum for 1500 and at least 280ai/ 7rem mag ballistics. 6.5 will get you there but hits maybe harder to see. I would figure out what distance you will be shooting the most and like varminterror said then pick that cartridge will be appropriate.

Varminterror I'm liking that stock in your striker.

 

[MR WICK]

I would want 7mm minimum for 1500 and at least 280ai/ 7rem mag ballistics. 6.5 will get you there but hits maybe harder to see. I would figure out what distance you will be shooting the most and like varminterror said then pick that cartridge will be appropriate.

Varminterror I'm liking that stock in your striker.

Thank you.

 

[JFrank]

It is?

Crossed 1,000yrds off of the list with this one today. View attachment 1023232

Did ya hit anything ?