Undecided - Long Range Precision Rifle - Help Please

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MR WICK

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For lack of writing it again I'm just going to say Sniper Rifle. I have mastered my Savage Arms 22LR up to 300 yards. I would like to get into longer distances. Eventually, 1,000 yards.

However, I am dead locked on what to buy. My gut tells me Daniel Defense 308. All of the Sniper novels I read say Remington 700 Win. Websites say everything from Winchester to Browning to Ruger. I am willing to spend up to 2k just the rifle and want a 308. Bolt Action as well.

Thanks everyone.
 
I have a Remington 700 "sniper rifle" (PSS) in a chassis, with many updates and doodads.

Friend has a Sig Cross and if I had an insurance check to replace it, would buy that without hesitation. Good price, add a scope and go.
 
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If you don't intend to take human life with it because it's what you do for a living in law enforcement or the military, it's not a "sniper" rifle, it's a "long range" or "target" rifle. (Or long range target rifle. :))

My tongue-in-cheek comment has become, "all black rifles are now Assault Weapons and soon any scoped hunting rifle with a bipod will become a Sniper's Rifle." Then next we will no longer be allowed to shoot Black Powder guns because they are not eco friendly!
 
So far all the long range shooters that I have met are not shooting "off the shelf" rifles. All are aftermarket actions with Match Barrels and some form of aftermarket chassis.

Myself, just getting started and still learning am shooting a 223 Rem. in a Savage Model 10 and over the winter have a Savage Model 12 26" Varmint barrel that will be installed. I then also have a Savage model 11 action that I have a Richards stock coming for it and will in all probability have it barreled in some form of 6mm, most likely a 6mmBR.
 
I completely agree. It's called a Long Range Percision Rifle a not until a tried and true Sniper using the rifle makes it a Sniper Rifle. Someone mentioned 6.5. The ammo for it is just too expensive. I'm going to be entering into Long Range competitions soon and want as much practice as I can get. It's not for hunting.
 
First - as has been stated, don’t call a precision rifle a “sniper rifle.” This ain’t Call of Duty and you ain’t Keanu Reeves. Unless you’re employed or enlisted (in which case most still aren’t titled “snipers”), you’re not a sniper, and your rifle is not a sniper rifle. You wouldn’t call yourself a soldier just because you picked up an AR-15, so don’t take that honor away from folks who actually DO live behind a longgun to protect our way of life, and equally, don’t paint yourself (or any of the rest us who shoot long range) with the same brush as the naive gamers who only know firearms based on game specs...

My gut tells me Daniel Defense 308. All of the Sniper novels I read say Remington 700 [308] Win.

Neither of these should be on your list.

Remington is out of business, and the company which bought the brand name is comprised of deviants with a history of failed ventures, with no experience actually building and servicing firearms yet. Buying a Rem 700 today means you’re either buying an old rifle without warranty support, or you’re buying one of the first guinea pig rifles the new company kicks out, which honestly aren’t expected to be anywhere near worthy of the Remington legacy.

A DD gas gun is asking for a headache. It can get there, but the work involved is higher and magnitude of success in doing so is lower.

There are too many prettier girls to dance with than to pick up either of these with their respective boat anchors attached.

The ONLY thing going for your DD is the fact you implied you already own it. Maybe it’s a 20” or longer barrel, maybe it’s a mil-clone carbine, you haven’t shared that detail, so maybe it’s almost suitable, or maybe it’s completely the wrong animal. If it’s a long barrel, heavy rifle, with a float rail and a quality trigger, and a sufficiently high magnification and quality optic, sure, go bang away because it only costs you ammo.

And in parting - “eventually 1,000 yards” should only be a matter of finding a 1,000 yard range and going.
 
Most bang for the buck, Tikka CTR. Street price $900-$1000 in blue, about $150 more in SS.

Choose | Tikka

A 308 will get you to 800 yards, but 1000 yards is pushing the limits. It will require a longer than standard barrel length (around 28"), and some pretty hot handloads.

The 6.5 CM will get you to 1000+ with the 20" barrel. The 24" barrel will get you close to a mile. The 6.5 is what you want.

Someone mentioned 6.5. The ammo for it is just too expensive.

You can find inaccurate military surplus 308 ammo cheaper than 6.5 CM. But you ain't gonna shoot MOA with it at 100 yards, let alone 1000. If you're buying match quality ammo 6.5 is a little less expensive than 308.
 
First - as has been stated, don’t call a precision rifle a “sniper rifle.” This ain’t Call of Duty and you ain’t Keanu Reeves. Unless you’re employed or enlisted (in which case most still aren’t titled “snipers”), you’re not a sniper, and your rifle is not a sniper rifle. You wouldn’t call yourself a soldier just because you picked up an AR-15, so don’t take that honor away from folks who actually DO live behind a longgun to protect our way of life, and equally, don’t paint yourself (or any of the rest us who shoot long range) with the same brush as the naive gamers who only know firearms based on game specs...



Neither of these should be on your list.

Remington is out of business, and the company which bought the brand name is comprised of deviants with a history of failed ventures, with no experience actually building and servicing firearms yet. Buying a Rem 700 today means you’re either buying an old rifle without warranty support, or you’re buying one of the first guinea pig rifles the new company kicks out, which honestly aren’t expected to be anywhere near worthy of the Remington legacy.

A DD gas gun is asking for a headache. It can get there, but the work involved is higher and magnitude of success in doing so is lower.

There are too many prettier girls to dance with than to pick up either of these with their respective boat anchors attached.

The ONLY thing going for your DD is the fact you implied you already own it. Maybe it’s a 20” or longer barrel, maybe it’s a mil-clone carbine, you haven’t shared that detail, so maybe it’s almost suitable, or maybe it’s completely the wrong animal. If it’s a long barrel, heavy rifle, with a float rail and a quality trigger, and a sufficiently high magnification and quality optic, sure, go bang away because it only costs you ammo.

And in parting - “eventually 1,000 yards” should only be a matter of finding a 1,000 yard range and going.

Thank you for your input. A bit to the point at times but good input. I agree the Sniper makes it the rifle and no I don't play video games.
 
If you could please take the time out to inform me of what makes one LPR better then another I would really appreciate it. Or if you could direct me to a site where I can learn. I am all about learning. Thanks guys.
 
Mr Wick, there are a number of different disciplines to find out about and they can use very different forms of equipment. At the range I use I see Precision Short Range Bench Rest. These guys are shooting 1" targets at 300 yards. While the Long Range guys can be shooting 10" targets at 1k yds. or the folks that are shooting Steel Silhouettes.
 
...A 308 will get you to 800 yards, but 1000 yards is pushing the limits. It will require a longer than standard barrel length (around 28"), and...

Range is very barrel length dependent. The other weekend was out with a bunch of folks, and our .300 WinMag friend did a mile, my factory 26" 308 was solid to 1,000ish and more a problem with wind (windy range!) to 1200+. Friend with the Cross in 6.5 did just rather less because he has the 16" barrel on this gun.

So, intended range will drive the barrel length a lot. If you want to get to 1,000, make sure you have enough barrel to be supersonic out there still in these calibers.
 
Range is very barrel length dependent. The other weekend was out with a bunch of folks, and our .300 WinMag friend did a mile, my factory 26" 308 was solid to 1,000ish and more a problem with wind (windy range!) to 1200+. Friend with the Cross in 6.5 did just rather less because he has the 16" barrel on this gun.

So, intended range will drive the barrel length a lot. If you want to get to 1,000, make sure you have enough barrel to be supersonic out there still in these calibers.

What barrel length do you recommend?
 
Do you have a stock pile of ammo in the caliber you want or will you be ammo shopping? That would definitely factor into my decision.
 
I completely agree. It's called a Long Range Percision Rifle a not until a tried and true Sniper using the rifle makes it a Sniper Rifle. Someone mentioned 6.5. The ammo for it is just too expensive. I'm going to be entering into Long Range competitions soon and want as much practice as I can get. It's not for hunting.

If you're trying to be "frugal", find another hobby. There is nothing cheap about long range/precision. Listen to the experienced gentlemen. I'm a novice, but I know that if you want to be competitive, you will need a bolt action rifle in a chassis with a detachable box magazine shooting a 6.5 or 6mm caliber, a precision scope that will cost $1,200 and up, and you will have to handload your ammo. It will also take A LOT of learning, experimenting and listening to experience. I went to 1 PRS match with a "precision" .308 AR variant rifle and my learning curve was nearly straight up and down. I didn't even get to finish the 2-day match because the rifle malfunctioned at the end of the first day...an adjustable gas block spontaneously went out of adjustment and there was no way to "retune" it in time. It's just as well, because I was completely unprepared for a couple of stages the next day due to inexperience and ignorance.

Jump in with both feet and the correct attitude, but nothing about long range/precision is cheap and there's A LOT to learn to be close to competitive.
 
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