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I have always felt strongly about my rights and responsibilities that are part of being a free man (as free as our current status allows).

The book along with others nourished my maturity as a RKBA adult.

My baby boomer education was sufficient for the time (60s and early 70s), however I learned much from UC.

SHortly after I finished UC PBS had a program on about the Bonus Army. My loving wife (34 years!) asked what it was and I was able to explain it based on what I learned from UC.

Thank you, Mr. John Ross.

Anygunanywhere
 
Some of the minor stuff in my book was for fun, targeted at specific friends, when I had NO IDEA it would take off like it did. The scene in the car that you describe was one of those.

Stripping is no big deal to me. I've had dinner parties where 1/4 of the guests were strippers. My publisher's wife is one. A non-issue for me. Same as being a lingerie model, aerobics instructor, or personal trainer.

The harassment incident was not a publicity stunt. I, too, am scratching my head over it. My ex didn't make it up--she's not that clever. And I don't know anyone willing to impersonate a fed for a prank. It happened.

The next book should have something in it to offend everyone...

JR
 
Thernlund said:
I did the search you suggested and found what I think you wanted me to find (a letter to the ATF from your attorney, currently posted on Free Republic. My apologies, but just I don't believe it. At best I think it may be a marketing tactic for your book. At worst, full blown paranoia. I'll concede that it's possible. But not plausible. Without proof of such thing I cannot bring myself to buy the story. Other more high-profile authors such as Clancy (mentioned) have written content much more deserving of gov't scrutiny, and yet only you get harassed? I'm sorry. I can't buy that without more evidence.

Finally, I said it before and I cannot apologize for it. I view your book as somewhat damaging to the gun culture in America. It suggests that these people are typical gun people. It suggests that American gun owners are a murderous lot that will flip at a moments notice and begin gunning down entire families in their front yards if they feel at all wronged. It paints us as a vengeful bunch that will mow over everyone to get what we want.

Now keep in mind, I take little issue with the gov't reading your book. I fully suspect that UC, for the most part, didn't really stick out among the multitude of similar content that is published all the time. No, I don't think UC has damaged us in the eyes of the gov't at all. I doubt they even blinked. What concerns me is that UC damages us to the general public. You're book gets around, and I suspect it has a great deal of readership beyond gun people. It worries me that these non-gun people may read UC and get the idea that Bowman and Caswell as typical of gun people. The book content by itself is just a story. But it is given real-world weight by you suggesting in your introduction that this is a very close proximity. Nobody ever thought that Stephen King was suggesting that we actually make criminals run for their lives in his short story "The Running Man". But then Stephen King didn't write an introduction implying it was the real deal or these were typical people, eh?


"It suggests that American gun owners are a murderous lot that will flip at a moments notice and begin gunning down entire families in their front yards if they feel at all wronged."

I would like to chime in on this and provide a defense, if I may. Thernlund, you suggest that Mr. Ross's book paints American gun owners as a murderous lot (as reference by the above excerpt). In Mr. Ross's story, a government LEO squad opens up on the house of a friend of the main character (who is not home). Bowman must protect himself against an armed bunch of "jackbooted thugs," with, IIRC, a .22RF handgun. If you disdain gun owners as a "murderous lot," I have to wonder; is it OK with you if government agents, clad in black kevlar and armed with fully auto subguns, go smashing into peoples' homes like that?
The ATF has been known for these types of things. In an early incident, a man named (IIRC) Ken Ballew was home showering. ATF agents came busting into his home. As I recall, they entered through a door that was unused, and had household items blocking it. His wife (??IIRC) started screaming, as they looked to her like vagrants or hippies; Ballew, exiting from a shower, wet, naked, grabbed the first thing he could to defend his wife, and that turned out to be an antque revolver. The dynamic entry team was better armed, and Ballew was permanently incapacitated.
Here, the ATF agents were after him because he was reputed to have a hand grenade.
He did.
It was mounted on a wood base, had a #1 card glued on it, and the base said "complaint department."
It was a dummy grenade.
In another ATF action, a house was trashed, agents apparantly ordered pizaa while there, and one ATF agent deliberatly stomped a pet cat to death.
At Ruby Ridge, other federal agents shot a family dog, shot a forteen year old boy in the back, who was returning fire after mysterious gunman had slaughtered his pet dog, and a sharpshooter put a bullet through Mrs. Weaver who was holding a baby standing behind a door.
At Waco, the ATF initiated an assault on a religious commune at a front door after firing through the door, engaged in a protracted gunfight, shot a few of their own agents in the butt, and retreated after running low on ammunition. Then the F.B.I. moved in, and while their hostage rescue team managed to gain Koresh's trust, their armed squads defeated the purpose by bulldozing cars, recent graves of the Davidian's dead, and fired into the building rom helicopters, and inserted dangerous highly flammable gas using tanks. There is also a controversial matter of delta team riflemen shooting into the burning compound building, preventing the Davidians from escaping through holes made by the tanks, a controversial matter seemingly, but supported by infrared videotape which shows apparant muzzleblasts.
These incidents spawned to some degree the militia movement that grew during the 1990s, when Clinton stuffed a ridiculous, ineffectual "assault weapon ban" down our throats.
Now, since you regard Ross's characters as "murderous," I wonder what adjective you would apply to the United States Government's actions as noted above? Is this the kind of law enforcement you want in America?
It is in my mind the kind of things I associated with the German Einsatzgruppen, the Geheimstaatz Polizei, the Waffen Shutzstaffel and other Nazi military/police groups operating from 1933-45 in europe.

"Other more high-profile authors such as Clancy (mentioned) have written content much more deserving of gov't scrutiny ... " Clancy's books to the best of my recollesction never took so negative a tone in regard to Federal agencies. Clancy's first book, The Hunt for Red October, however, did draw government attention because he did such a thorough job of researching it the government thought he might have been privy too, and release some, classified information on submarines and other related high tech matters. That turned out not to be the case; Clancy had simply used material you get from Jane's or other public sources. The govt. was unaware that it had released this information -- then investigated Clancy for using it in a bestseller novel.


"No, I don't think UC has damaged us in the eyes of the gov't at all. I doubt they even blinked. What concerns me is that UC damages us to the general public. You're book gets around, and I suspect it has a great deal of readership beyond gun people. It worries me that these non-gun people may read UC and get the idea that Bowman and Caswell as typical of gun people."

There are elements in the public who will always blindly follow the government belle wether no matter what. They will prattle on on how the govt. must protect the people, how health care is a right that govt. must fix, and on and on and they will never see the light. They will look on Ruby Ridge and Waco as unfortunate aberrations, and, well, those mean crazy people with guns, they "deserved it." I don't think many of these people will ever be reached.
But some can, and it is imperative to do so.
When King George's reign over America, over two hundred years ago, became destructive to our liberties, we resisted. Only maybe one third of the colonists sympathized with the cause, but a few per cent of those showed up with guns and fought, but we did so, and after a long struggle against the British and then ourselves, we managed to establish the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a legal backbone to this country.
They hoped that throughout adherence to this, our rights and our freedoms would be protected.
That will no longer remain true if the government continues to ignore and to trash these rights.
While you disdain Mr. Ross's characters for their violence .... what do you say about what MOTIVATED their violence -- a government gone amuck, ignoring long cherished rights? Meddling in every aspect of American life? Shooting forteen years olds in the back??
Today our rights continue to be eroded, by McCain - Feingold as well as Supreme Court decisions which greatly expand the concept of eminent domain. While we must continuously be aware of these transgressions, and press for reformation through the use of the ballot box and even the jury box, are we supposed to have all become such sheeple that we will never reach for the cartridge box even when the absolute need for it has been made blatantly obvious in the hearts and minds of all men?
When do we fight? If ever?

"None are more hopelsessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

"Americans used to rorar like lions for liberty, now we bleat like sheep for security." ~~ Norman Vincent Peale.


"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists."~~ John Hay (1872)

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." ~~Edward R. Murrow.

"Justice will be served until those who are unaffected will be as outraged as those who are." ~~ Benjamin Franklin.
 
We all have our view, don't we? I had a bunch of responses lined up, but it occurred to me that it doesn't matter. Nothing you said changed my mind. Nothing I'll say will change yours. It's an opinion of Ross's book and an opinion of him as a prominent figure in the firearms community. My opinions haven't changed.

There may or may not come a time for violence against the gov't and its representatives. If/when that time comes, I will do what I think is right.


-T.
 
I just finally read the book a couple of weeks ago. I had mixed feelings.

I didn't care about the sex parts one way or the other. As far as I'm concerned, they were neither integral to the story, nor did they detract from it.

The vigilantism bothered me a bit, as did the viewing of the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents through the harshest possible prism. While I believe that serious (possibly even criminal) errors in judgment were made in each case, I do not believe that the ATF or FBI set out to murder people in either incident. Particularly at Waco, where there is PLENTY of reason to believe that Koresh and his followers torched the place themselves.

To me, the most valuable and enlightening thing about UC is the way it illustrates just how much freedom we've ALREADY lost when it comes to the RKBA.

I found it a good read, and I'll most likely buy the next book hot off the presses.
 
mccook8 said:
I do not believe that the ATF or FBI set out to murder people in either incident. Particularly at Waco, where there is PLENTY of reason to believe that Koresh and his followers torched the place themselves.

I don't necessarily believe the agencies "set out" to murder anyone; it's how they handled (or MIShandled) the situation(s) that lead to their horrible denoument. As for Waco, the Davidians may well have immolated themselves. While some may think that this fact completly absolves the govt. of any responsibility, keep in mind the U.S. Attorney General, Janet Reno, had a report on her desk that profiled the Davidians and Koresh, stating that if they were cornered into a "no win" situation, they would likely do just exactly what they did. Does this prove they "intended" the results?
No, it proves they'd been warned what the results would be if they proceeded along the path they followed.
I don't know if you could convict anyone in court on this evidence alone .... but I sure as all ***** would kick the bums out of office for gross incompetence. The fact that that did not happen told me all I needed to know about the Clinton administration .... not that there wasn't plenty of other evidence.
 
without THR, I probably would have never heard of UC, but I thought it was an awesome book after reading it.

I like how Mr. Ross portrayed the main character as not what the media thinks of as your typical gun owner. He didn't even like to hunt, he just enjoyed shooting and owning guns, and valued that right.

I couldn't even find a book store that carried it, so I ended up ordering it online from barnes and noble.

A great book, when your next one comes out, Ill be sure to pick up a copy of it.
 
Thernlund said:
We all have our view, don't we? I had a bunch of responses lined up, but it occurred to me that it doesn't matter. Nothing you said changed my mind. Nothing I'll say will change yours. It's an opinion of Ross's book and an opinion of him as a prominent figure in the firearms community. My opinions haven't changed.

There may or may not come a time for violence against the gov't and its representatives. If/when that time comes, I will do what I think is right.

I can accept that both of us will remain of the same mind. I do wonder why, if you think "there may or may not come a time for violence against the gov't and its representatives," then why you have this problem with Ross's book, which explores the possiblity of exactly that?
I also still wonder if you do think that the govt. actions at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the others cited were appropriate or not ... or rather do you approve of them or not? Please don't infer that disapproval of those actions is approval for assassinating govt. agents or going to war; if I thought that I'd have "been there, done that" long before this point in time.
 
Well, back to the original question. :)

I first read UC a few years back and really enjoyed it. Finding a copy at my local library was another bonus.

Now on a related note, about a week after reading it I came down with the worse case of the stomach flu I have ever had.......and boy, between the meds I was trying to take, the fever, the dehydration, and all of the UC running through my head, I had some REALLY weird dreams. :what:

Thanks Mr. Ross.
 
I do wonder why, if you think "there may or may not come a time for violence against the gov't and its representatives," then why you have this problem with Ross's book, which explores the possibility of exactly that?
Because I feel that a) the characters in the book jumped the gun in becoming violent; and b) Ross quietly implies that this is normal thinking for gun owners. Like murdering an ATF agent AND his wife and children in his yard. Or dragging an elderly retired official to his death. Or murdering an FAA official because they grounded you. None of these individuals was an active combatant in any war. Their killing was murder as far as I'm concerned. It would have been just another story and I'm all good with that. But I am troubled that Ross implies that this is typical thinking for gun owners. That because I'm a gun owner and stand for freedom, I am like the characters of the novel. I feel it casts me/us in a bad light to those who may be sitting on the fence.
I also still wonder if you do think that the govt. actions at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the others cited were appropriate or not ... or rather do you approve of them or not? Please don't infer that disapproval of those actions is approval for assassinating govt. agents or going to war; if I thought that I'd have "been there, done that" long before this point in time.
I don't care to spell out my feelings on each of these topics in detail. mccook8 pretty much expressed what I think. Gross incompetence on the part of all agencies involved. There was no conspiracy to commit murder on the gov'ts part. There was no premeditation. These were situations that spiraled out of control due to incompetence and arrogance. Those responsible should be in prison and barred from ever being in any form of LE again.

While I'm at it... I don't feel that our gov't is evil. I don't see Star Chambers and conspiracies everywhere. Federal LE doesn't sit around thinking up creative ways to railroad people. They aren't premeditated murderers.

I view our gov't as a massively overweight guy who's trying to maneuver through a china shop. He's not evil. But he is clumsy, he knocks things over, and he makes a general mess of everything. And of course, he doesn't think he has a weight problem which makes him arrogant. He thinks everyone else is the problem. What we need to do is put this guy on an intense diet and bar him from going into the china shop until he gets his s*** together.


-T.
 
What we need to do is put this guy on an intense diet and bar him from going into the china shop until he gets his s*** together.

Some folks had that same idea quite some time ago. They published their "fad diet" in about, oh, 1789. They called it "the Constitution of the United States of America."

Problem was, just as in most diet failures, that the fat guy wouldn't follow the diet. He also wrote in the margins of the book, to the point that today, there's always something he can point to which clearly shows that his favorite quadruple fudge sundae is allowed by the diet.

....and that we have to pay for it.

....and that his right to that sundae is above question, and always has been.

Having said that, I do not believe in violent revolution unless there is no other option. I believe that the current situation took two centuries to create at a gradual pace, and that it will probably take a similar amount of time to remedy.....at a gradual pace.
 
Some folks had that same idea quite some time ago. They published their "fad diet" in about, oh, 1789. They called it "the Constitution of the United States of America."

Problem was, just as in most diet failures, that the fat guy wouldn't follow the diet. He also wrote in the margins of the book, to the point that today, there's always something he can point to which clearly shows that his favorite quadruple fudge sundae is allowed by the diet.

....and that we have to pay for it.

....and that his right to that sundae is above question, and always has been.

Having said that, I do not believe in violent revolution unless there is no other option. I believe that the current situation took two centuries to create at a gradual pace, and that it will probably take a similar amount of time to remedy.....at a gradual pace.

We agree.


-T.
 
I've been involved with law enforcement (as a firearms instructor) for over 30 years. The warnings were all made by LE people. They know how stuff happens, and so do I. Did you get a chance to read what did happen concerning my ex-wife? Google "James Jefferies" and "John Ross" in the same search...

I got only 4 hits, 2 of them being threads here discussing your books, and 2 being just big lists of people frm the revolutionary war
 
Hmmmm... so it does. That wasn't the case when I linked to it. As well, Mr. Ross provided the same link in this post.

Dunno why it broke all of the sudden. Maybe bandwidth limitations. Or maybe an ATF plot? :D ;)


-T.

EDIT: I found it.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jeffries_atf_letter_re_ross.txt
JAMES H. JEFFRIES, III
ATTORNEY AT LAW
3019 LAKE FOREST DRIVE
GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA 27408
TELEPHONE: (336) 282-6024

30 June, 2000


Honorable Bradley A. Buckles, Director
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
United States Department of the Treasury
650 Massachusetts Avenue, Northwest
Washington, D.C. 20226


Re: Mr. John Ross
St. Louis, Missouri

Dear Mr. Buckles:

I represent Mr. John Ross of St. Louis, Missouri. Mr. Ross is
an investment broker and financial adviser with a respected
investment firm in st. Louis. He has degrees in English and
Economics from Amherst College. Mr. Ross is very active in
community and public affairs. He is the grandson of President
Harry Truman's press secretary, Charles Ross, and was himself the
Democratic Party candidate for the United States House of
Representatives from the Second District of Missouri in 1998. In
short, Mr. Ross is an upstanding and productive member of his
community.

Mr. Ross has had a lifelong interest in firearms and is both
a Federal Firearms Licensee and a Special Occupational Taxpayer
under the National Firearms Act. Of central importance to the
purpose of this letter is the fact that Mr. Ross is also the author
of Unintended Consequences, a highly popular novel about the trials
and tribulations of legal gun owners and dealers in the United
States. Although the book is manifestly a work of fiction, it
accurately depicts documented historical events in the long and
sordid history of misconduct by personnel of the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms. The book is in its fifth hardcover printing
with some 50,000 copies in circulation and has become enormously
popular among the gun owners of the United States. Because the
book is highly critical of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms, it appears that some in your agency have undertaken to
suppress it and to intimidate its author.


Honorable Bradley A. Buckles - page two


For example, in 1997 the book's publisher became aware that
individuals purporting to be BATF agents had threatened vendors of
the book in at least three different states with "problems" if they
did not cease their sales of the book. A full-page ad in Shotgun
News offering a $10,000 reward for the identity of these
individuals put a stop to that particular business.

Now we have learned that in late May of this year agents from
your St. Louis field office have engaged in an official effort to
enlist Mrs. Ross, who is amicably separated from her husband as an
informant against her husband. On or about May 24 2000, at about
7:30 a.m. two agents approached Mrs. Ross on the street while she
was walking her dog, identified themselves by displaying their BATF
credentials, and proceeded to inquire what she thought about her
husband's book. When she was noncommittal the agents terminated
the conversation and departed. This contact had been preceded in
previous weeks by pretext telephone calls to Mrs. Ross, by what
were undoubtedly your agents, in an attempt to draw her out about
her husband's book. An agent, using the pseudonym of Peter
Nettleson, and pretending to be a great fan of Unintended
Consequences, sought Mrs. Ross's agreement that the book was, in
fact, "a manual for the murder of federal agents." [1]

I note in passing that best-selling author Tom Clancy in
recent books has murdered a Director of the FBI, the President of
the United States, the entire Congress, the Supreme Court, the
entire cabinet, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a few lesser
functionaries. I presume he has not thereby become subject to
investigation by your literary critics.

------------------------
1. As an experienced federal prosecutor I am fully aware of
what is going on here. Disgruntled former spouses are a prime
source of intelligence for law enforcement, having as they
frequently do both a strong bias against the subject of the
investigation and the proximity and intimacy to know many things
not available to others. A structured approach such as this
required, according to your manuals, formal agency approval. It
required the investment of time and effort in setting up the
approach: determining Mrs. Ross's new address, learning her new
telephone number, physical surveillance to determine her routine so
that she could be approached in a way that she could not simply
shut the door and where there would be less risk of confirming
witnesses, the use of a female agent to lessen any apprehension at
being approached publicly by strangers, etc.


Honorable Bradley A. Buckles - page three

What kind of people are you? Is there no honor within the
ranks of your agency? It has long been clear, from repeated court
decisions and congressional committee reports, that your agents
have no familiarity with the Second, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth
Amendments to the United States Constitution. Now it appears that
they have not even been introduced to the very first Article of the
Bill of Rights.

I am writing to express our outrage about this conduct and to
formally demand that your agency cease and desist from this
unconstitutional abuse of power. I am contemporaneously making
formal Freedom of Information Act and Privacy Act demands upon BATF
for the records and files pertaining to Mr. Ross, his book, and
these events.

By copies of this letter I am requesting the Inspector General
of the Treasury Department to formally investigate this unlawful
conduct and the Attorney General to investigate to determine
whether Mr. Ross's civil rights are being violated by the Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.


Sincerely yours,

[signed]
James H. Jeffries, III


cc: Attorney General of the United States
Inspector General, Department of the Treasury
 
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Thernlund notes:

Hmmmm... so it does. That wasn't the case when I linked to it. As well, Mr. Ross provided the same link in this post.

Dunno why it broke all of the sudden. Maybe bandwidth limitations. Or maybe an ATF plot?
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Re the close, possibly election year politics has something to do with it.
 
I came back to this from archived pages, and found this topic quite interesting. (Partly because I reread it recently) I don't think in any way that Bowman or Caswell, or Kane are "typical."

I don't think that Ross was trying to paint them as typical. I simply think that Ross was saying that the government forced them (by it's multiple bad actions) to engage in activities which were not good, but better than the alternative (which was certain death).

While I think that it's highly unlikely that the government would "pardon" them for their actions, it's not impossible.

Yes, foreshadowing it all over the book and appreciated.

And, in many ways, this book has things which smack of common gun culture themes. Though the American gun culture is not in any way a monolith.

There are things which I think are totally John Ross. One is, he definetely grew up in upper class surroundings, and while I believe he knows poor and middle class people exist, he doesn't understand them very well, and it shows in the book. (Not really an insult, just an observation).

Two: He doesn't know much about lesbians.

Three: Like all authors, he creates an idealized version of characters based upon people he knows, or wish he knew.... It's what everybody does.

As for the sex, I reiterate, he doesn't do enough to explain to me why Cindy Caswell ran off with Henry Bowman to kill people. But, I don't think he ever really established why they were even such good friends. One day they are in AA getting a burger, then, they are in bed sharing some chick from a strip club. Then, she is begging Bowman to let her in on killing people. Not enough back story. And the book is huge, it isn't like he couldn't have explained that progression. As for why others may be opposed to it, has more to do with their own personal aversions to kinky sex.

I ain't got a problem with it, but then, while I doubt me and Ross would see eye to eye on much (besides guns), I'm pretty sure we could agree about... (how to put this delicately) certain enjoyable sex acts (even if, and this is something he let's us know in the book, he doesn't exactly like women that much outside of the bedroom, which is a slight dig).

On race, I believe that Ross simply told us what he thinks. He is probably the type of guy that locks his doors when a black man in baggy pants flashing gang signs walks by. I doubt he does if a black man who doesn't look like that walks by. That said, I think he isn't "down" with the black experience. Don't take offense though, he isn't "down" with the white experience if you grew up poor.

Nevertheless, I would say, he created singlehandedly a new genre. Which is the "government did wrong, and now gunowners are gonna make 'em pay" genre.

All said, it was a good novel. But I like Travis McGee's "Enemies" series more. There, I said it!

Though chances are, Mr. Ross won't respond.
 
UC is one of my favorite books. I have read it probably 10 times, and have purchased it for myself 3 times- and for others many more times than that. I keep loaning it out and telling the loanee to send it onward.
 
"Though chances are, Mr. Ross won't respond."

Sure I will. First, thanks for the kind words, MA.

You're right, I did grow up in a family affluent enough that all children were expected to go to the best private institutions they could get into, from age three to graduate school. No one related to me when I was growing up ever had their house foreclosed on or their utilities turned off.

That said, I had many friends from blue-collar families, as I often had more in common with them than the kids at my school. I always admired skilled machinists, welders, and the like. If you like guns and motor racing, you meet these kinds of people.

The middle-class people I knew had enough ambition or determination or whatever to satisfy their own personal passions, such as saving up for a bass boat or ATV or an elk hunt or what-have-you. I never knew any kids whose parents were wage slaves eking out bare-minimum existence.

And no, I never knew any truly poor people.

I am no authority on lesbians, but I count perhaps a dozen lesbians and bisexual women as friends, and one of them is damn close to Cindy.

Cindy's close relationship with Henry developed quickly for the same reasons many seemingly odd pairings occur in real life: Cindy, because of her background, needed someone to confide in and trust. Henry fit the bill. And as a smart, resourceful man, he could do some things much better than any butch lesbian Cindy might be involved with, such as think logically and impartially. Henry got things done. Cindy needed someone like that.

Henry, on the other hand, admired Cindy's grit and survival skills, and the fact that she hadn't become a man-hater even though that would have been easy.

Thus, they became unlikely soulmates. Some readers got that, others said "Hunh?"

If you read my Ross In Range columns on my wevbsite, you'll get a better picture of my view of women. The feminist women-as-victims attitude and entitlement mindset have made a large fraction of the American female population uninteresting to me for anything other than recreational companionship and sex. That's just the way it is.

JR
 
I own a copy. I read it every couple years and imagine what it was like growing up in a free country. Milsurp rifles through the mail. Sigh.
 
I read it while I was stationed on ship. Not much else for marines to do on ship but read an play cards and stuff. The only disappointing thing about the book was that for such a thick hardcover, it sure didn't last me too long :D

Aside from that, it was top notch and was probably what catalyzed me to pursue my interest in big bore precision shooting.
 
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