University kid wants gun free school

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There are some things we as students never expect to see in a classroom. Things that are not a natural fit in that environment. I thought one of those things was a firearm of any kind. But, apparently I was wrong.

I was in a sociology class not long ago and noticed that an off-duty Bowling Green police officer was in the room. He was in his full uniform, including his utility belt, gun in holster.

Just thinking about it now, I am still in shock. A gun in a classroom! This is by far the dumbest thing I have seen as a Western student. There is no excuse for this. I do not care that he is an officer.

I was discussing this with some of my classmates and I am convinced that there is no logical reasoning for this officer to have his gun.

First of all, lets say he doesn't get out of class until 30 minutes before he is supposed to be at work. I don't care. If he can't find a place to lock his gun up until he is on duty, then he should reschedule his classes so that he gives himself more time.

Someone even argued that if something happened he could provide protection. Well, what if it happened to him? Now there is a gun in the room and anyone has access to it. If it were someone with a knife, then now the situation has become much more dangerous. God forbid it was a person with another gun, because now that person has more ammo.

This is a school. Have we all forgotten about what happens with guns in classrooms? I cannot think of one good thing that has happened with a gun in that environment, but a number of tragedies do come to mind.

The least of my concerns about this is that a gun in a classroom does not create the type of relaxed atmosphere that students desire in the classroom. There is no way that a gun will ever comfort me while I am trying to learn about Karl Marx's views on society.

And I am not even opposed to people owning guns. For all I care, an individual could own a fully automatic assault rifle and be using it for spotlighting herds of deer. As long as you keep it away from me in public settings, then fine.

This officer was obviously off duty at the time and did not have to be fully equipped. If he cannot arrange his work and school schedules in a more conducive way, then he should drop a class.

From what I understand, it's the law, not Western's policy, that says it's OK for an off-duty officer to carry his weapon if he chooses to do so. I understand the law, and I still disagree.

Our university buildings are supposed to be firearm-free. That rule should not change just because a person has a badge on their chest, unless they are there on official police business.

This was an idiotic sight to behold, and I never thought this was something I would ever have to write about. There was no excuse for this individual to be in possession of that firearm at that time. I do not care about any issues in this individual's personal life that might have made it a hindrance for him to have not brought his gun. Billy club, fine; pepper spray, fine; handcuffs, fine; but a firearm, no.

If I see this again I will have to address it with the department head. I pay my tuition to come to school here, and at the very least I should have the guarantee of a safe and relaxed study environment.

Simply put, under no circumstances should I ever see a gun in a classroom. Leave it behind. I do not care what you do with it, but do not bring it into a room full of people who are concentrated on achieving higher learning.
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This kid is phobic and exgtremely narcissistic! What would he do if he saw one of my knives I routinely carry? It seems as if everything around him should be there for his comfort only. Does no one else matter?:what: I think he should go get a private tutor so he never has to leave his home again and feel uncomfortable.:barf:
 
This is a college educated student!? :scrutiny:

This is the exact reason why I hate college kids. Every day I deal with these idjits in my classes and it is mind-numbing to witness.

The man presented no logical arguments, just a fear of guns. :cuss:

I do like how he "allowed" me to own fully automatic assault weapons or what have you.

So all I got from this article was that this was a scared, sheltered kid who cannot form proper sentences and articulate his feelings intelligently in writing.

Its a cops gun too! So now whereever this kid sees a cop, he wants them disarmed? What if hes in a restaurant or a bar or a library or a internet gaming lounge haha?

This kid has a lot of growing up to do.

I am also surprised at how one little article has gotten me so riled up on my day off. :D
 
I don't know what more can be added. This student is a complete moron. Not a partial moron - a full, complete, and total moron.
 
"Brains full of mush".

What would he think if some deranged whacko started shooting up his campus? He might just be glad that the uniformed armed officer (or a CCW holder) was there to stop him.
 
I do not care what you do with it, but do not bring it into a room full of people who are concentrated on achieving higher learning.
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A baseless fear of inanimate objects sounds like a bigger impediment to learning I'd say, but that's just me.
 
One of the toughest lessons to learn in life is that you can't always get what you want. This kid just needs a little edumacatin'.
 
Hopefully the next gun in school he sees, will not be some Arab Muslim carrying an AK47 over the dead body of an unarmed security guard.
 
MONEY QUOTE #1: If it were someone with a knife, then now the situation has become much more dangerous. God forbid it was a person with another gun, because now that person has more ammo.

MONEY QUOTE #2: And I am not even opposed to people owning guns. For all I care, an individual could own a fully automatic assault rifle and be using it for spotlighting herds of deer. As long as you keep it away from me in public settings, then fine.

GRAND PRIZE MONEY QUOTE: There is no way that a gun will ever comfort me while I am trying to learn about Karl Marx's views on society.

What a maroon! Thanks for posting that. I had to wipe the coffee from my monitor this morning.
 
with the missing swat team's tools. I would say

the safest place for that gun to be is in the officer's dudy belt
 
From ParentReport.com:

Terrible or terrific. However you look at it, one thing is certain and that is two year olds are a challenge. It's an extraordinary time in a child's life, and in a parent's. Suddenly it seems your baby has grown up with a mind of his own and a will that is increasingly determined. For the toddler, this can be an overwhelming period in life says child psychotherapist, Rosalind Kindler. "Two year olds must accomplish many things such as speech, nursery school and even becoming an older sibling," explains Kindler. "A two year old takes in more and learn more things than at any other period in his life."

With all of the feats that two year olds need to accomplish, it's no wonder that they sometimes lose control and have a temper tantrum. But sometimes parents can help toddlers avoid having a tantrum in the first place by figuring out just what is upsetting them and then helping them cope. Infant psychiatrist Dr. Peter Sutton elaborates. "They become aware that other people, bigger people can do things that they themselves cannot do. These things may be very difficult for them to do, none the less they try to do them and become angry when they can't accomplish these tasks," explains Sutton who adds, "if a parent tries to help them they'll get angry because then they are being shown that they can't do something themselves."

Kindler says "having a temper tantrum is a very unhappy thing to a two year old. When they get to that point of losing it, it's really a way of them saying "please hold me together." The best thing for poor distraught parents to do is to stay calm and let the child know they're there. Parents may feel better knowing that the child isn't doing anything to them, rather he is struggling with inner turmoil that he just doesn't know what to do with. It ends up in a tantrum."
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It's important for adults to remember that the two-year-old's world centers around himself. He makes the rules.

In this situation our toddler doesn't understand that the police officer has rights too. The two-year-old wouldn't care if he did understand. What he wants is for the school and the officer to follow his rules.

There is a potentially serious problem. People who remain emotional and psychological two-year-olds as they enter adulthood can be dangerous to themselves and other people. Their behavior becomes increasingly anti-social because they demand that the world conform to their rules and attempt to punish anyone who does not. If they fear cigarette smoke, they insist upon banning cigarettes. If it's firearms they fear, they insist upon banning them.

As the retarded behavior is allowed to continue, an adult two-year-old might accumulate sufficient power from other anti-social people and murder whoever they hate or fear, collectively and individually. In that light, Adolf Hitler exhibited a most dangerous form of two-year-old behavior. So, of course, do other kinds of racial and religious bigots.

Even a moderately well-adjusted adult recognizes that the world does not center on him. An adult who found himself distracted by the presence of an armed police officer as another student in his classroom would try for better mental health. Should he be unable or unwilling to do so, he would simply transfer to another class instead of demanding that the university conform to his wishes. He would recognize, immediately and without being told, that an unarmed policeman in uniform presents himself as a target for other deranged people.

This adult infant attacks the policeman verbally. Others with similar or worse pyschological disorders might choose more fatal weapons for their attacks. None of them care about the policeman--or about anyone else--in their distorted world they are the only people who matter.

This two-year-old demonstrates the complete and utter failure of his parents' child rearing skills. They produced this monster. Unfortunately they are not alone in encouraging their children to become monsters and anti-social deviants. Perhaps the most effective way to attempt those big children's integration into society would be to require a long course of psychological treatment at the parents' expense. It would be far better to do that now than to face the possible need to incarcerate him later for offenses such robbing, beating, or even murdering people he considers insignificant.

Of course it is ironic that the writer of this tantrum is in a discipline that attempts to study human social behavior.
 
I'd point out to that kid that one of the things you're supposed to get from college is to learn how to deal with people and circumstances different from himself, and his own narrow world view.

That'll serve him better than Karl Marx ever will.
 
Well, the kid is a journalism major...

I do like the responses on the page where the article appears. I do love my home state. If WKU is anything like the university where I work, he'll find a bit more sympathy among the faculty than the students. But just a bit more.

Welcome to Kentucky, Brandon! The place where, not too long ago, "He needed killin'" was a valid defense. :D
 
I'm a little concerned that everything thinks its perfectly OK for an off-duty LEO to carry a gun in class.

But any other citizen student would be expelled immediately.

Why they double-standard?

The concept that only government and police can be trusted with firearms is disturbing.

Can JROTC / military bring their issued / non-issued firearms to class also?

Mike
 
I'm a little concerned that everything thinks its perfectly OK for an off-duty LEO to carry a gun in class.

But any other citizen student would be expelled immediately.

Why they double-standard?

The concept that only government and police can be trusted with firearms is disturbing.

Mike
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Methinks you create a strawman. The subject being discussed is specific. Not mentioning other citizens does not imply anything, one way or the other.
 
Every single comment in response to that is ripping him apart. Fun to read:) Since when does what he thinks have any bearing on the second amendment of the constitution? If he doesen't like guns, don't carry one.
 
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