University of Arizona Police Dept's Answer to mass shootings...

[loop]

Guess I shouldn't admit it, but I carried a S&W Model 66 on the UA campus every day for four years...

Never felt safer in my life - lol

I'm familiar with UAPD. Giving those yokels rifles is nuts. The only reason they are working at UA is they can't get jobs with real PDs.

Kind of like if you get a degree and can't get a job get another degree and teach...

 

[jungleroy]

I wonder if the campus police are really any older than the students that attend school there. Might be a good reason to push for the students rights to carrying rifles on campus.

 

[mekender]

500 yards? *snicker* A bag of donuts to the first cop that can hit a human sized target at 500 yards after running 100 yards and doing push ups.

hell, id like to see the campus police there hit a 50yard shot with their revolvers... let alone 500 with an AR...

and what the hell are the cops there doing still carrying revolvers? i thought that the only PDs that still did that were on the other side of the Mexican border? i guess they fire em so little that they have lasted all these years... either that or the powers that be were afraid of issuing a 15+ round gun... which confuses me as to why they are getting ARs...

 

[Prince Yamato]

Why can't the campus cops use handguns? It's one freakin' shooter. You won't bet at a distance greater than 50 feet in most scenarios. On top of that, there's only four guns on the entire campus... STUPID.

Also, why is it that students with handguns are liable to shoot all over the place, but somehow a cop with a machinegun won't manage to spray the entire room?

 

[bogie]

Something tells me that the folks in question have fallen victim to the "firearm is a universal tool" syndrome, and expect them to also function as bulletproofing for the students.

 

[Navy joe]

I think the arguements here are way out in the weeds. I'd be happy to see CCW on campus for students but I fail to see why there is so much ire here for the cops getting "patrol rifles." No rift in the time/space continuum required, faster response discussed in the article is achieved by having a real weapon in the patrol car instead of locked away at the cop shop. Every THR poster likes to say handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle, why can't the cops do the same?

 

[Kind of Blued]

Do we really want unqualified people trying to avoid being murdered when there are trained professionals with proper gear just minutes away?

Abso-f*&%ing-lutely, sir!

-Good point (via carcasm).

If there is a class which must be taken for one to value one's life, I suspect every single human to have ever existed has taken this class without me knowing, and I commend them for doing so.

 

[garymc]

The getting there faster passage was worded poorly. The article says in another place that, not having adequate weapons in the hands of campus police, they would have to call the municipal police and wait for the city cops to arrive with the big guns.

 

[BlackBearME]

UAPD's rifles are meant to reduce the amount of time it takes for the department to arrive on campus during an emergency,

I too am curious about this one. How exactly does the rifle get you there faster?

I THINK what they are trying to get at is the 'extended' range the rifle offers over their issue revolvers.

Perhaps, but that's certainly not what they said. They said it will take less time for the department to arrive on campus. Perhaps these ARs come with octane boosters?

...they have a shorter distance to run to get to the quote, scene of the crime, unquote.

You sir, get a +1,000,000,000,000 for this quote.

 

[fchavis]

 

[mikebnem]

"Maybe they are gonna put 'em in the hallways in glass-fronted cases with little hammers attached and "Break Glass in Case of Mass Shooting" signs."
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[Starship1st]

TV 4 local news reported AR15s being issued. One U of A cop said that it gives them an advantage of distance shooting vs hand guns?

The local reporter Lapita Mario was handleing the AR15 as a demonstration so that all the other liberals would know what she was talking about.

It is all a stunt to asure the public that U of A cops are in charge. One student interviewed said that with the rifles (she felt) that there is no need for Tucson Police Department (TPD) to get involved?

Its a false since of security.

 

[qwert65]

since when does a shooter shoot people outside? seems like most shooters get in a classroom. I still think they should have a rifle(more stopping power) but even a 50yd shot would be pretty far(thats a long hallway)

 

[Oleg Volk]

IIRC didn't we see fat Virginia cops waddle into the perimeter where Cho was doing his killing?

One of our members -- neither fat nor incapable of precision shooting -- was at VT with his department. He raced for the scene as fast as he could and they did interrupt the rampage...not soon enough, but not for lack of trying.

 

[dasmi]

But but at least the Campus cops get to look really cool with their new rifles.

 

[doc2rn]

I wanna see one officer from my Campus security dept run 100 yds do 10 pushs ups and shoot 500 yds. They cant make it from the coffee pot to the SUV without running out of breath. Seriously! I found one sleeping the other day and was tempted to shoot her photo with my phone and mail it all over school. They had to buy bicycles to make it 30 yds to the next building because they where putting on too much weight.

 

[Tribal]

One of our members -- neither fat nor incapable of precision shooting -- was at VT with his department. He raced for the scene as fast as he could and they did interrupt the rampage...not soon enough, but not for lack of trying.

I don't doubt it, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...when there's an actual cure.

I went to Virginia Tech and was in Blacksburg last year. The cops there are considered a joke. One in particular is, and this is only a tiny exaggeration, almost as thick as he is tall. Students don't trust the cops: many of the ones we see are clearly out of shape, others are our own age, and the rest of the time they're doing things like hassling us for walking around campus at night.

Don't get me wrong: last year one of them was killed by an escaped murderer, and I respect those of them who do what they're supposed to be doing. Expecting them to be able to stop a violent crime in progress, however, isn't likely.

 

[RancidSumo]

"They're not intended as offensive weapons," said Sgt. Eugene Mejia, public information officer for UAPD. "They are to be used defensively, as a response."

Why is it that cops can use these guns defensively but they think that we can't?

 

[RancidSumo]

what the hell are the cops there doing still carrying revolvers?

Whats wrong with carying a revolver.

 

[Blackfork]

Nothing the police or authorities can do to prevent this.

More or different guns won't help, nor metal detectors, nor more and better police, bomb-sniffing dogs, et, et. Even fit marathon-running pushup pounding LEOs won't make a difference. "Arming students" won't help. Most of them too young.

The only thing that might POSSIBLY help would be letting folks with CCLs carry on campus just like they carry everywhere else. That would suppress planning for this kind of thing and possibly position folks for action if something happens.

Everything else is just bovine by-product and political theatre.

But they will probably just give the police more guns they can't shoot and put up some signs with REALLY strong language.

 

[Phoneman]

I believe puting undercover police in classrooms, posed as students may help. If the faculty, including the students know that someone in the class may be a cop, it might just prevent another situation like what we've experienced.

 

[MinnMooney]

Does anyone really believe that campus cops would be allowed to buy, train with & use fully-automatic weapons. I doubt it. I'd wager the the S&W guns talked about are civilian-style AR-15's and NOT M16s.

 

[El Tejon]

Oleg, I have no doubt that is true, but the police may have the noblest of motives, true warriors and sheepdogs, they can have the hearts and muscle tone of lions, and they can even have half as much training as some of the civilian pukes on this board, HOWEVER the police have a job to do: COLLECT EVIDENCE FOR THE PROSECUTION.

The police at VT set up a perimeter and took a knee and waited. We saw them wait for the killing to stop. The police were armed and capable of defending themselves; the students were not armed.

The role of the police is to collect evidence to prosecute criminal defendants, not to protect anyone. Even if the role of the police were to be our Platonic Guardians, they cannot be everywhere.

Let the students defend themselves, it's the human rights friendly method to community safety.

 

[MinnMooney]

phoneman :

I believe puting undercover police in classrooms, posed as students may help.

C-O-S-T : One cop per 10 classrooms equals 20-60 cops per University. At a cost of $200/day per cop comes out to $4m - $12m per day or $600,000 - $2million per school year.
I doubt that cops in classrooms is a viable solution.

Arming student wouldn't work?? They're too young?? 20% of most colleges and U's are comprised of students who are 21 years or more. That's a lto of studends capable and eligable to carry.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Look it all fell apart the minute we (that's right I'm including our SOCIETY in this one) forgot that conserving the peace was a job in which EVERYONE had a part to play and a part of the responsibility.

The -instant- LE started turning it into a "cops only" job without the support and involvement of all citizens of the United States, the wheels were destined to come off. There can never be enough cops unless we all are, to at least some small degree, deputized and living up to our civic responsibilities.

(BTW, both sides bear responsibility for the "cops only" job attitude. Cops by developing the attitude that they are "above" the average citizen, and citizens by getting lazy and handing everything (including the dumbest "nuisance level" crap) over to the cops.) Eventually it has become so institutionalized that very few look at it now and say "WHY is that just the purview of the cops?"