University of North Carolina Student Body President Shot and Killed.

[george29]

bogie, please stop being ungracious in public and to me in particular, if you have a wife, I'm sure she is used to your brusqueness, go take it out on her or go sulk in private for being so wrong in your previous posts.

 

[bogie]

You're still blaming the victim.

Not only is it repetitively boring, but you're also pointing in the wrong direction. Blame yourself, for not educating others.

 

[george29]

You're still blaming the victim.

Correctumundo!

Blame yourself, for not educating others.

As previously stated, I do so within my limits.

Not only is it repetitively boring, but you're also pointing in the wrong direction.

Then you must be bored to retort.

 

[Mannlicher]

Relax guys, why beat yourselves up over this? The hapless girl was killed by a couple of black gang bangers. The one fellow is evidently complicit in the murder of a Duke student as well.
These guys are predators, and they looked for, and found a victim. Life means nothing to people like that, and shooting her was just what they do.
What I would like to see is some statement from the faculty and administration at Duke, about how awful it is for black guys to murder white girls. Remember all the brouhaha over the Duke Lacrosse team?

 

[Halo]

Yes, the 2nd POS they caught was also charged in the murder of a Duke graduate student from India. He was also shot at point blank range between the eyes.

Too bad the taxpayers of North Carolina are going to have to keep these cretins alive for at least 15 years probably.

 

[lacoochee]

The worst part is that both of these scum should have been in jail,

Atwater has a criminal record dating to 2004, including charges of robbery, drug possession and resisting arrest. He was due in court earlier this month on a breaking-and-entering charge. In 2006, he was sentenced to 24 months' probation for possession of a firearm as a felon. He had a court date on that charge the week before Carson's death.


Court records also show Lovette has a criminal background, with charges of breaking and entering and larceny. He is on probation for larceny and is due in Durham court this month on charges of first-degree burglary, felony larceny of a motor vehicle and felony larceny after breaking and entering.

Enough said, if we are going to allow these people back on the streets, we need to arm ourselves and our children because they are coming to your neighborhood eventually as well.

Edit: Just to add to the fire while Nifong was attempting to railroad three lacrosse players at UNC, he allowed these gentlemen back out on the street.

 

[Halo]

One of them had been released due to a clerical error. I can't remember the details, but it's another case of inept bureaucracy proving deadly for the public.

 

[Winchester 73]

One of them had been released due to a clerical error.I can't remember the details,but its another case of inept bureaucracy proving deadly for the public

So true.Here are the details of which you speak:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...ry/458503.html

Murder suspects fell through cracks
The suspects in the killings of two college students have a history of criminal activity within a legal system that's far from perfect.
Posted on Sun, Mar. 16, 2008
BY MIKE BAKER
Associated Press

DURHAM, N.C. -- Whenever there's been a crack to fall through in North Carolina's legal system, Laurence Lovette and Demario Atwater have found it.

The high school dropouts were convicted of crimes but put back on the street by a system that failed to notice when they were arrested again.

Both are now behind bars, held without bail and charged with murdering two college students.

''We've got a lot of kids out there who have a sense of helplessness, with a propensity for violence,'' said Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez. ``We need to look at the reasons our youth are doing this.''

Lovette, 17, is accused in the slaying of a graduate student at Duke University, and he and Atwater, 21, are charged in the death of the University of North Carolina student body president.

A third defendant, 19-year-old Stephen Oates, was arrested a few days after the Duke student's death and charged with murder and more than a dozen robberies. His next court appearance is set for Monday.

TWO KILLINGS

Abhijit Mahato, a doctoral student in computational mechanics at Duke, was found in his apartment a few blocks off campus in January. His autopsy said the 29-year-old from Tatangar, India, was shot at point-blank range in the forehead as a pillow was held tightly against his face. His wallet, cellphone and iPod were missing.

Eve Carson, the student body president, was also shot in the head, once in the right temple, her wallet and keys missing. Her body was found March 5 in the middle of a residential street in Chapel Hill about a mile from the North Carolina campus.

Atwater and Lovette were both students at Durham's Charles E. Jordan High, a school with a diverse student body and test scores that exceed the state and national average.

Atwater left in 2002; Lovette dropped out sometime last year. After pleading guilty to misdemeanor larceny and breaking and entering for crimes committed last November, Lovette received a two-year suspended sentence and was placed on probation Jan. 16.

Prosecutors believe he and Oates killed Mahato two days later. In the six weeks that followed, authorities in Durham arrested Lovette several times and charged him with nine different crimes, including burglary, car theft, breaking and entering, and resisting arrest. He was released after each arrest.

''I'm not going to second guess what a judge or a prosecutor in another district did,'' said Jim Woodall, the prosecutor in neighboring Orange County, where Carson was killed.

The state Department of Correction said efforts to revoke Lovette's probation hadn't begun because he had been on probation for such a short time. Robert Lee Guy, director of the state Division of Community Corrections, said probation officers don't automatically receive information alerting them when one of their charges pleads guilty or is convicted of another crime.

But Guy said the state is investigating Atwater's case. Convicted in 2005 of breaking and entering, he violated his probation last June when he was convicted -- and sentenced again to probation -- on a gun charge. It wasn't until last month that he was served with a probation violation warrant.

Atwater's court appearance on the probation violation was March 3 -- two days before Carson's death. The case was assigned to the wrong courtroom, Guy said, and rescheduled for later this month.

AVOIDABLE DEATH?

Guy said he can't speculate whether Carson's slaying could have been avoided if the system had worked as intended, but he acknowledges: ``I think that's the million-dollar question on everybody's mind.''

Should either Lovette or Atwater be convicted of first-degree murder, they could fall through one final crack: neither is likely to face a death sentence.

For Lovette, it's a guarantee. In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court banned the execution of people under 18.

For Atwater, it might be; since North Carolina resumed executions in 1984 after a break of more than two decades, jurors in Orange County haven't sentenced anyone to death

 

[Group9]

The criminal justice system completely failed this young woman, no doubt about it.

I feel so bad about her, so full of promise and potential, but she is the poster child for learning to defend yourself.

 

[bogie]

Between libraries, labs and student council stuff, she probably never noticed the outside world...

Condition white all the way.

Why?

Because that's what she'd been taught.

Can't blame her - she was intelligent, but ignorant of stuff outside her sphere.

We need to get word out, educate folks. Make people think, and not just knee-jerk.

Or we can get all angry and competitive...

 

[george29]

Can't blame her

That's where you and I differ. Retrospectively, if she could review her life and be given a "do-over", what do you think she would have done different?

A) Stayed in the relative safety of her home after dark?
B) Made certain to not be alone especially in the wee hours of the night?
C) To open her mind and understand that there are predators out there that don't respect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (except their own)?
D) To arm herself and learn the techniques of self defense?
E) All of the above?

Isn't her fathers words and attitude enough to persuade you (bogie) that some people can never change their POV. For pity's sake, her dad blames society for causing poor people to become murderers because there is no universal health care! That's 1960's bullcrap that is mainly refuted by most responsible sociologists. The ultra-liberal crowd still clings to these views and nothing you say will make them change, not even the daughter he adored, murdered by "decent poor folk that were never given a chance", that is still his POV and she ain't even cold and stiff yet!

Her father and people like her are the reason we have so many unnecessary laws that have eroded our individual rights, and I'm not talking only of the 2A.

If her daughters death by murder didn't sway daddy's opinion, why would your words?

Her death, and the deaths at all the fast food joints, and schools, and churches and malls should have been enough of a wake up call to people, and some do heed the warnings, maybe not enough, but more everyday. Tomorrow, or maybe later today, we will read of another avoidable tragedy, another crane that falls after people warned others and did speak up, or a jet that was downed by a terrorist missile even though the industry knows this is a possibility, or another mugging gone wrong. If these acts are not enough to wake people up bogie, your words, however well written, I doubt will do the job, and yes, I blame all victims who are capable of self defense of acting like potential victims, the Jews were warned to get armed or out of Germany long before the extermination camp ovens were lit up, and Americans of all walks of life know that to be out at night alone is asking for potential trouble and one should at least take along a friend whose measurements are .44-.45-.40

IMO, your absolving this victim of blame is playing right into Sarah Brady's hands.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

I'm actually in the midst of writing a paper on this subject for my corrections class.
It's quite a multi-faceted case with major issues in nearly every twist and turn.

Lovette was being managed by a corrections officer who never even saw him. She had a record of arrests including DWI and concealed weapons charges, herself.
But, for the High Roader, a few lessons can be learned from this case.
Lovette broke into Alice Wisler's car and stole her keys and wallet. Two weeks later, someone stole her jeep (stolen keys). Almost a week later, someone broke in while they were sleeping. Lovette was convicted of the burglary.

Then, Lovette was released, hooked up with Atwater, and now Carson is dead.
So, there are lessons to be learned from this progression of crime.

 

[Winchester 73]

Thank you for bringing this to our attention,wheelgunslinger.
An exceptional human being's life has been lost,mainly due to the errors committed by our bloated bureaucracy.
As a member of that group ,I get very angry with the total breakdown of the criminal justice system in the USA during the past 45 years.
Please update us on your forthcoming paper, if that is possible.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

I could not agree with you more on the assertion that Eve Carson was an exceptional human being. It makes me want to break down into tears when I watch the videos of her welcoming newcomers and returning students back to UNC-CH and in her commencement as president. And, when I read about how much she did with her time and life.
Losing her was a loss to the human race's forward momentum.

If I find anymore info relevant for the high road, I'll post it up here.

 

[Winchester 73]

If I find anymore info relevant for the high road, I'll post it up here.

Thank you,friend.
I am so very sorry.