Utah CCW license - still allow non-residents?

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

My license is up for renewal in '09, and I think I'm gonna get a Utah license instead of renewing my home state (why WOULD I pay more than Utah's low fee when reciprocity exists??). But there was talk of Utah possibly discontinuing non-resident licenses - has it changed? Thanks.

 

[maestro pistolero]

Some states do not have reciprocity with permits that were not issued from your home state.
Also, in Nevada, if you are a NV resident, you must have a NV permit, even though NV honors other state's permits including UT.

 

[Car Knocker]

I'm not aware of any changes in Utah law re: out-of-state permits. Yet.

 

[Duke Junior]

My license is up for renewal in '09, and I think I'm gonna get a Utah license instead of renewing my home state (why WOULD I pay more than Utah's low fee when reciprocity exists??). But there was talk of Utah possibly discontinuing non-resident licenses - has it changed? Thanks.

Changes can always occur with a non-resident permit.Colorado recently changed their rules.
I always would want my home state's permit(assuming it issues)just in case of a negative non-resident permit scenario.
Get the non-resident as a backup and for additional states,IMO.

 

[gidaeon]

Several associates I know applied for these non-residential permits since this Spring. I got mine this last year also. So far so good. I'm happy to support a system as reasonable and simple as theirs compared the crazy gauntlet of May issue states and whim restrictions. Just be mindful of what states don't allow\acknowledge non-residential permits.

And yes as others said, you should always go for your own State permit even if its a pain. If for no other reason that to support the systems continuance and its "insurance" sense of future changes.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Hmmm, interesting. Maybe there's something I'm missing - I still don't get it. Why on earth would I pay for two when I could pay for one? And for that matter, why would I pay for one from my home state, at a higher fee, than one from Utah, with a lower fee?

If my state is all-fired stupid enough to:

1) Charge a lot more for the permit fee;

AND nevertheless STILL

2) Grant reciprocity to a state that it KNOWS allows non-resident permits

then they should reap the rewards of that asinine policy, by losing out on some fees.

If a Utah permit alone makes me perfectly legal, I see it as my moral duty to help reveal to my state how stupid they are, by not paying for their exhorbitant license fee. Which I'm of course more than happy to do given that I shouldn't be paying a thin dime to ANYONE, in light of the fact that the second amendment to the US Constitution gives me the right to carry.

But as I say, maybe I'm missing something - as per usual, I am very .

Some states do not have reciprocity with permits that were not issued from your home state.

Then by definition, that means they do not allow reciprocity, period.

Do you mean, that for example, some states might allow reciprocity for Utah resident permits, yet NOT allow reciprocity for Utah NON-resident permits? If so, then that's the reason right there, but I'd never heard of that ....

 

[wdlsguy]

Colorado, Michigan, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Florida, Kansas and West Virginia don't honor non-resident permits:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

 

[gidaeon]

Premium,

Do you mean, that for example, some states might allow reciprocity for Utah resident permits, yet NOT allow reciprocity for Utah NON-resident permits? If so, then that's the reason right there, but I'd never heard of that ....

Yup! exactly, when I travel to MI as I often do my Utah is worthless since its non-res, and its important I have my home state.

I don't know what state your in or the "political climate" there, but even if you're certain UT non-residential permit is recognized by your state, are you confident local LEO will understand the complex reciprocity rules? (or your willing to be patient while they figure it out) Your freedom and choice of course! It is ridiculous the situation you and others are in and the fee's.

 

[phorvick]

Also, some States (MN is an example) have a doofy thing called a Permit to Purchase...and, the Minnesota issued Permit is an acceptable substitute...the Utah (although valid in MN) is not.

Some States (ND is one) can waive the NICS check for resident Permit, but not non-resident.

And, it is just good "politics" to have the number of permit holding voters in your State be a number that is as high as can be.

 

[Rmeju]

Your state doesn't give a rat's you-know-what about your license fee. They won't learn anything. As far as the state is concerned, it's covering its costs in 'approving' you when it takes your fee.

There are a few reasons you should get your own state's license. One (reciprocity in certain states) has already been mentioned. The other, of course, is that for every person in your home state that gets a permit, it makes it that much harder for your home state anti's to claim that the whole CCW permit system is "unnecessary, just look at few people apply!"

Do what you want. I got my home state's permit to make a statement and support the CCW system here.

Reid

 

[Polishrifleman]

If it is all about saving money just open carry. The next thing you need to consider is all of the cost associated.

What is the cost of a Washington renewa $32l? Utah class, FBI fee, License fee, Passport Photo's, Finger Print Cards, Notary charge, you are looking at $250 bucks to get your first Utah License. Utah Renewal is $10 every 5yrs. your payback for ditching WA and going to Utah would be over 30yrs down the line.

 

[Schmidlin]

I plan of getting my Ohio permit in the next couple months and then get a Pennsylvania permit as well, to add a couple more states that Ohio doesnt cover.

 

[Duke Junior]

I plan of getting my Ohio permit in the next couple months and then get a Pennsylvania permit as well, to add a couple more states that Ohio doesn't cover.

Excellent idea.Go to Sheriff Denny Nau in Centre County.
You'll have your license in less than 2 weeks.

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_application.asp

 

[Car Knocker]

Utah class, FBI fee, License fee, Passport Photo's, Finger Print Cards, Notary charge, you are looking at $250 bucks to get your first Utah License.

First time Utah CFP license fee is $63.25 and includes the fee ($30.25) for the FBI to process the fingerprint card. Passport photos were $8 at Walgreens, fingerprint fee was $13 (some classes include fingerprinting in the class fee), my bank (Wells Fargo) will notarize documents for no charge to customers. My class was $45. Let's see, that's $129.25.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Most states that recognize out-of-state permits/licenses -- whether unilaterally or reciprocally -- specifically do NOT allow their own residents to use an out-of-state license instead of their own. When Missouri first allowed CCW a couple or three years ago and some of the county sheriffs were not issuing because they were opposed, Missouri residents discovered that Missouri's new law didn't have that exception, so a lot of them got Florida permits. I believe Missouri closed that loophole a year or two later, and most other states never had it.

Check your home state laws carefully before assuming that what you are considering will be legal.

 

[deadin]

Check your home state laws carefully before assuming that what you are considering will be legal.

+++1

And don't be upset if your State closes the loophole when they finally realize they are losing license fees to some other state.

 

[jgorniak]

Technically, though they do allow non-residents to acquire their license, Utah does not have a "non-resident" version. Everyone gets the same card.

 

[deadin]

Utah does not have a "non-resident" version. Everyone gets the same card

I don't see where this would make any difference. It would be fairly obvious that if your address isn't in Utah, you are a non-resident. Or, if you came up with a Utah address, it still wouldn't match your DL.

 

[Polishrifleman]

Fortunately you live in Utah Car Knocker, Premium lives in WA. I just took the Utah class last Winter in WA and Cheapest I could find is $100 (without a lot of travel). Now if he wants to average in the cost of travel to Utah too.

 

[Car Knocker]

I just took the Utah class last Winter in WA and Cheapest I could find is $100 (without a lot of travel).

OK, I can see the higher cost in WA. Comes out to $184.25 with the class costing $100.

 

[Rubble]

Full classes at Gatguns in Illinois, and we don't even have CCW in this Socialists State

 

[jgorniak]

Quote:
Utah does not have a "non-resident" version. Everyone gets the same card
I don't see where this would make any difference. It would be fairly obvious that if your address isn't in Utah, you are a non-resident. Or, if you came up with a Utah address, it still wouldn't match your DL.

The original post mentions "non-resident license". Hence, the "technically" part of my original response.

It indeed does not make a difference, unless you are in a state like Florida, which honors the Utah permit if it is your state of residence.

 

[tjschul]

I live in WA and have both the ore and utah permits in addition to the Wa permit.
I was going to dump the Wa permit until someone referred me to the RCW
(don't remember #) that says I have to have a Wa permit if I'm a resident.
Almost blew it, but got it renewed in time.

 

[wdlsguy]

I was going to dump the Wa permit until someone referred me to the RCW (don't remember #) that says I have to have a Wa permit if I'm a resident.

RCW 9.41.073 Concealed pistol license — Reciprocity