Utah Non-resident CCW

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I was suppose to take a Utah CCW class here in Arkansas this Saturday to get my Utah nonresident permit but recieved a phone call yesterday from the instructor that he had to cancel the class due to changes in the Utah laws regarding non-resident permits. He said non-resident permits are now only issued if the receipient takes the class IN Utah, and recertified every 5 years IN Utah. If this is true its a real bummer. Has anyone else heard this????
 
Usually when they make a change to the CCW rules in Utah, they send out a letter to the CCW instructors. I'm am one, and have not received any notice at this time.

Doesn't mean they haven't, just means I haven't been told about it.
 
Was that the class in Hot Springs?

I've been thinking about getting one, too, as I travel to Florida at least once a year and would like to have a permit that's good for the whole trip. If this is true I guess I'll have to get the FL permit.
 
Outlaw Man: Packing.org says FL only honors out of state permits held by residents. (Meaning, a UT permit won't do you any good unless you're a resident of UT.)
 
I was suppose to take a Utah CCW class here in Arkansas this Saturday to get my Utah nonresident permit but recieved a phone call yesterday from the instructor that he had to cancel the class due to changes in the Utah laws regarding non-resident permits. He said non-resident permits are now only issued if the receipient takes the class IN Utah, and recertified every 5 years IN Utah. If this is true its a real bummer. Has anyone else heard this????

Your post got me to call my instructor in CA. He says he's heard nothing about it. He's still teaching classes and has them booked.

I tried calling the Utah BCI and they were closed for the day I'll try again tomorrow out of curiosity.
 
Electrified said:
It was the Jonesboro (Brookland) class. I'm thinking about the Hot Springs class tho if I can get some solid info.
Ahh. That's supposed to be a good place. I haven't even been to the range in Hot Springs, but I want to take a trip down there in the not too distant future to check it out and talk to them about the class. I wish I'd have known about it when I took my Arkansas class, as it's only an extra $25 for the Utah certification.

I need to get the ball rolling if I'm going to get the permit by this fall, though.
ilcylic said:
Outlaw Man: Packing.org says FL only honors out of state permits held by residents. (Meaning, a UT permit won't do you any good unless you're a resident of UT.)
I meant to use for Louisiana, Mississippi, etc. The Arkansas permit is good in Florida. The other states honor Utah's non-resident permits. Sorry, my earlier post was a bit ambiguous.
 
New Hampshire might not be a bad idea. It covers nearly as many states and is pretty cheap. Utah's price isn't bad, either, but Florida's is high. I need to see if someone in Arkansas offers the course.

It could get a lot more expensive if I have to travel to NH. :D


EDIT: Looks like my Arkansas CHL will work for getting their permit. Looks like the best route, now.
 
Just got off the phone with Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification. Your instructor is absolutely positively incorrect. I'd look for a different instructor. If you want a non-resident CFP, you can take the class from any Utah approved instructor.

Go get one and enjoy the Privilege.
 
I am also a Utah instructor. And, as noted, your instructor is in error.

It is true that to be an instructor the rules have changed and you need to take a class in Utah before renewing your instructor status. Either he confused that with being a Permit applicant, or simply did not take the required course to remain a Utah instructor.
 
I currently have CCW's in two states. I've been looking into getting a nonresident one from Utah. Can someone please direct me to an updated list of Utah qualified instructors in Indiana?
 
It's true, Utah is re-considering their allowing non-residents to get permits, at least foreigners. I called them last week because it'd been nearly 4 months, and they said it should be sent out to me shortly.

Here's from gunnutz:

I spoke to Lt. Anderson for a little over an hour this morning.
It is exactly as James had posted. They recently started questioning as to whether they are following the letter of the law in issuing permits to foreign coutries (ie. Canada, mexico, Guam...)

Rest assured that Lt. Anderson favors issuing of permits to "Canadians" as it is easy for them to access our government police records to do brackground checks on Canadians. Plus the fact that Canada is a "friendly" nation and neighbor to the United States. It is not hs intention to create any sort of "ill will" between Canada and the U.S.

He also repeated that he believes that even if a change in policy were to be implemented, those Canadian applications in the system shold be issued for five years. He feels we paid for a service and we should be entitled to that service.

However, he is only a lowly Lt. at the BCI. The "Commissioner" has the big end of the stick, however Lt. Anderson's recommendations will be favorable towards Canadians.

Should the applications be "unfrozen" shortly, he will (as James stated) "Fast Track" all Canadian applications in the system as a sort of compensation for having been frozen in the first place. This would mean we could see a permit much sooner than the 60-120 day actual waiting period.

I gathered that his recommendation carries some weight with the Comissioner.

Their concerns seem to be with definition of "Non-resident Alien" status. As one of their requirements states something or other about "establishing residency". To which I retorted how can you in one breath brand someone as "Non-resident Alien" then talk about "establishing residency" in the same sentance? The only people who would fill this category would be a "student" who is attending college in the U.S.

The bigger issue was whether we as Canadians fullfill the requirement of being able to legally "purchase" a firearm in the U.S. (Importing our firearms on a Form 6NIA does not fulfill this requirement).

To the best of my knowledge for me to purchase a firearm and to take possession of it, I have to have established residency for 90 days. To my understanding, I can also "purchase" a firearm this afternoon from a retailer, pay for the firearm, have it shipped to a FFL who will then ship it to an importer (like Questar) who will eventually ship it to me. (After I have paid the FFL in the States and Questar, and the GST...). The fact that I can purchase a firearm in the U.S. even if I can't take it with me, "may" fulfill the requirement of a "person who is able to purchase a firearm AND ammo in the U.S.) The Form 6NIA gives me the right to purchase ammo in the U.S., even if I can't bring it back to Canada.

So it all seems to be a bunch of "bureaucratic B.S.", which is something all us Canadians have extensive knowledge about.

The Commissioner is conferring with the State lawyers and Lt. Anderson. They hope to have a decision ASAP so as to not penalize those who are waiting for permits.

I hope what I have written makes sense to those seeking answers.

Lt. Anderson was interested in finding out more about Questar and the process of Canadians purchasing firearms from the U.S. and as well as finding out what other U.S. states issue CCW's to non-resident's.

I will e-mail James to forward Lt. Anderson some info so that he can convince the Commissoner to continue the program for Canadians.

The red flags went up when someone wanted to offer the program in Israel. As it stands, Israel has dealings with some countires that are "un-friendly) towards the Unites States and it is next to impossible to do a proper backgound check on an individual from this country, much them same as trying to get factual information on a Mexican national.

My overall impression is that we (Canadians) are very well percieved at least by the BCI in the state of Utah. Lt. Anderson is doing everything he possibly can to unstick the Canadian applicants and we should optimistically get some concrete info very soon.

James should be the first to know of any developements. Hang tight.
 
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