Virginia couple fight companies using politically correct term 'holiday'

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We need to start fighting back for Christmas, and everything else that is truely American tradition. Amazing what a blaze a small spark can create, when it gets the right fuel.
Could this the spark that can start getting some of this foolishness stopped? I hope so.
I am also sending this story out to my emil list.
If this has been posted before, forgive me.

GrinchList.com combats Christmas 'censorship'
Virginia couple fight companies using politically correct term 'holiday'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36071
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Posted: December 11, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Ron Strom
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A new website has been launched to combat what the creators see as a growing intolerance for the term "Christmas" in American culture.

"Christmas is an endangered holiday in public spaces," said GrinchList.com co-founder Kirk McElwain. "The site lists companies and organizations that engage in egregious revisionism and promotes awareness of this growing phenomenon known as Christmas intolerance."

GrinchList.com's mission statement says it hopes to "expose [offending organizations] to the millions of consumers whose heritage is being expunged from the public cultural arena."

The site, created by McElwain and his wife, Amy, who hail from Virginia, encourages pro-Christmas Americans to contact listed organizations to voice their concern using e-mail, snail mail, in-store complaints, telephone calls and their wallets. Included on the site is contact information for many of the companies listed.

Made live on the Net Tuesday, GrinchList.com also cites those companies it feels deserve credit for upholding Christmas.

McElwain told WorldNetDaily he and his wife got the idea for the site last year while Christmas shopping. After first questioning sales clerks about why the word "holiday" had replaced "Christmas" in displays and products, they began contacting corporate offices.

"The response I received back became a push toward doing something this year," McElwain said, noting the companies generally told him the goal was not to offend those who do not celebrate Christmas.

"You load up on holiday ornaments, holiday bows, holiday lighting, holiday wreaths, holiday Santas and even holiday trees! And then it occurs to you, which holiday do they mean?!" states one page on the site.

"Surely, no one would think of renaming the [Jewish] menorah the 'holiday candelabra,' nor should they. People of the other religions and cultures would never tolerate such revisionism, yet why do we? Perhaps, more importantly, why do they think they can get away with it?"

The site's list of companies shunning the term "Christmas" includes a commentary about each firm's behavior or policy. The Discovery Store listing says:

"The Discovery Store carries 'holiday ornaments.' They indicated that they did not want to offend those who don't celebrate Christmas under their limited corporate mantra of diversity and multiculturalism. What's more, they indicated that calling a holiday ornament a Christmas ornament might create an unwelcoming environment for those who don't celebrate Christmas. Huh?!"

Under the KB Toys listing, McElwain notes, "The only thing turned out if you search its website using the word 'Christmas' is Dr. Seuss' 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas.' How ironic!"

GrinchList.com saves some of its outrage for public entities, taking to task the architect of the U.S. Capitol for calling the evergreen tree on the building's grounds the "2003 Capitol Holiday Tree."

Among the companies the site commends for not "censoring" Christmas were the Disney Store, JC Penney, Rite Aid, Sears, Toys R Us and Wal-Mart.

The site asks why so many companies are avoiding the mention of Christmas when the vast majority of Americans celebrate the holiday. Indeed, a recent poll by Opinion Dynamics finds a whopping 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas, while 5 percent say they celebrate Hanukkah and 2 percent the December holiday of Kwanzaa.

The survey also found 87 percent of Americans say nativity scenes should be allowed on public property, while just 9 percent disagree.

McElwain says he'll likely update the site next fall and promote it again during the 2004 shopping season.
 
I say Merry Christmas to every person I come in contact with from December 1 thru December 25th every year. I don't care if they're white, black, Asian, Hispanic doesn't matter to me.

America is a Christian nation, I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.

It starts with you.

But that's just me, I could be wrong.
 
America is a Christian nation, I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.
Excuse me, I was born here.

And I am a Reformed Christian, as in "reformed alcoholic"

Anyway, I don't see what the big deal is. Everybody celebrate whatever they want to, wish me a Merry or Happy whatever. No sense getting offended by anyone's traditions.

Have a Wonderful Winter Solistice! :D
 
Uh oh ... I see this going south real quick.

I don't choose to celebrate the winter solstice under any name, but am not offended if someone wishes me a "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Chanukah" or "Good holidays!". I take it in the spirit that it was given, even though I will not be observing that particular holiday. I hope that everyone enjoys their celebrations no matter if they celebrate the birth of their messiah, a military victory, the rebirth of their Sun god or are just happy because their favorite number is 1225.
America is a Christian nation,
No it is not. Some Americans are Christian, but our nation is not.
I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.
I am unaffected by your celebration of Christmas. But if I disliked it, I should go back to Wisconsin? :)
 
I don't care if they're white, black, Asian, Hispanic doesn't matter to me.

Please ask the nearest five-year-old to explain to you the difference between race and religion.

America is a Christian nation, I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.

...

But that's just me, I could be wrong.

You ARE wrong. One hundred percent.

The United States is NOT a Christian nation -- it is a nation with a lot of Christians. There IS a difference.

I came from here. So did my parents and grandparents. My great grandparents fled from the Czar.

And I don't celebrate Christmas. If you want to, then go ahead. Free country! But I am TIRED TIRED TIRED of jerks like you that think your way is the only way.

No one is taking away your precious holiday. But remember that some people come from other traditions. To deny that, to shove your religion down my throat, is wrong.

I fully expect this thread to be closed. That's fine with me. Stupid subject anyway.
 
Odd.

I just read about this couple in an article on this same topic in US News & World Report. Good to see this issue is getting so much attention.

It's also odd that I've only noticed this phenomenon this year, but I definitely have noticed it, even around the various forums I frequent. More people are saying "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

Heck, I've even caught myself saying it a few times. :banghead:

This is the Christmas season, so we should say "Merry Christmas."

If you don't like it, or that offends you, tough. Feel free to yell "Happy Hannukah" to me, and I'll yell "Merry Christmas" back to you. :neener:

There is no freedom from being offended in this country.

Finally, I recall reading a quote from one of the Fathers that said something to the effect of "Our form of government (or society) is unfit for a non-christian people."

Could anyone post the actual quote?


Thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Drjones
 
I don't have the quote in front of me, but I think John Adams was the Founder who said it.

In Catherine Drinker Bowen's biography of Adams she wrote that he as upset that he wasn't allowed to "keep a gun" at Harvard.
Some things haven't changed much since the Brits were in charge, have they?
 
America is a Christian nation, I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.

Hey like what if Im native american...where do I go?

PS...this thread, like grinchlist.com, is a waste of bandwidth

WildslieghbellsAlaska
 
Never argue with an idiot. First they'll drag you down to their level and then they'll beat you with experience.

John

P.S. - Season's Greetings to you and yours. :D
 
Sheesh, I'm a jew and I say "Merry Christmas" all the time. I figure that most of the people I run across, unless there is some really obvious indication to the contrary, celebrate Christmas. I go to a methodist university, so I've heard "merry christmas" about a zillion times. It doesn't bother me. It's the thought that counts. They say "merry christmas," and I hear "I hope your life is a little bit brighter." That's a nice thing to say. Deal with it.
 
Wow....everybody take a deep breath......ahhhhh........


I think "Christmas" has as much to do with celebrating Jesus' birthday as bananas and the tuning of a piano.

Christmas is more of just a season now, with all the commercialization and sales gimmicks associated with say.....Valentine's Day perhaps?

I've celebrated Christmas for 33 years now; but not once has it had anything to do with religion. I'm not a religious person. I suppose I've been programmed to celebrate the cold weather, bright lights and decorations, comraderie at the office, and time off from work. Sounds ok to me. Take the same time period and celebrate whatever you want, religious or not. It is what you make of it. Saying "Merry Christmas" is to me, just like saying "Have a nice day" only it's meant to encompass the month of December. Be Merry for a whole month or so. Please don't be offended if you do actually celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th.


I hereby declare Christmas to be in celebration of the fine firearms collection I started this year, and to the good people I've conversed with on THR. Merry Christmas to everybody.:D
 
What spot said.

What ever you worship or belive in, have a great time and enjoy yourself, life is too short to worry about other people belives.

Live long and prosper. (works for me :) )

Happy <enter your prefered holiday/belive here>

And thanks to all thre great people at THR for making me feel so welcome.
 
America is a Christian nation, I celebrate Christ mas. If you don't like it, go back to from where you came.

America is a nation where religious freedom is a basic right. That right lets you celebrate the religious holidays of your choice, and it gives other people the right to celebrate theirs...or observe none at all.

If you don't like that, maybe America is not the right place for you.
 
WOW, I meant to stir the pot a little, but looks like people have their underwear bunched up real tight this evening.

Either that or their hat size has been too small (tight) for much too long.

MERRY CHRISTMAS.
 
I'm not at all buying this.

The simple fact that "Holiday" is replacing Christmas indicates to me that stores are, and should be, concerned by the fact that they have customers who are NOT Christian who also celebrate during this time of the year.

Stores aren't banning Christmas items. They're not removing religiously themed materials from the shelves. They're broadening their appeal.

20 years ago you'd be VERY hard pressed to find Hannukah materials in many of the stores I went to. It was as if Jews simply didn't exist.

Oh, and the United States isn't a Christian nation. That gives the impression that Christianity is the offical state religion. Which branch of Christianity would that be? Some of them get along about as well as Jews and Arabs in the Gaza Strip.

America was founded on the principles of religious tolerance, acceptance, and harmony (somewhat of a myth in the early days, but that's how it worked out in the long run).

I consider myself to be a Christian, but I don't consider myself to be so holier than thou that I'm going to stand in judgement of someone who practices another religion.

According to the version of Christianity I was taught (Judg not, lest ye be judged), that's not exactly..... kosher.


And a Happy Holidays right back at you, DorGunR. :)
 
Mike Irwin I celebrate Christmas.....now, that being said, I have absolutely no (I repeat, NO) problem with anyone celebrating their religious holiday(s)......matter of fact I think it's great.
So if i might offend someone by wishing them a Merry Christmas.......well they need to get a grip.;)
 
.Mike Irwin a little Christmas tree story for ya.:D

The Angel at the Top of the Tree
--------------------------------


A story just in time for Christmas...

Not long ago and not far away Santa was getting ready for his annual trip. but there
were problems every where. Four elves got sick, and the trainee elves did not produce
the toys as fast as the regular ones so Santa was beginning to feel the pressure of
being behind schedule. Then Mrs. Claus told Santa that her mom was coming to visit,
this stressed Santa even more. Then, when he went to harness the reindeer he found that
three of them were about to give birth and two had jumped the fence and were out heaven
knows where. More stress.

And then, when he began to load the sleigh one of the boards on the sleigh cracked and
the toy bag fell to the ground and scattered all the toys. Now frustrated Santa went
into the house for a cup of coffee and a shot of whiskey, but he found that the elves
had hit the liquor cupboard and there was nothing there to drink and in his frustration
he dropped the coffee pot and it broke into hundreds of little pieces all over the kitchen
floor. He went to get the broom and found that mice had eaten the straw it was made from.

Just then the doorbell rang and Santa cussed on his way to the door. He opened the door
and there was a little angel with a great big Christmas tree. And the angel said: "Santa,
where would you like to put this Christmas tree?"

And that, my friend, is how the little angel came to be on top of the Christmas tree.
 
Around December 21st my Dad and I got out into the woods and find the biggest log we can. Then were drag it back to the house and light it on fire. The fire from this log keeps us warm for days and during that time the whole family feasts on the freshly slaughtered meat. The attitude at this happy get-together dares the snow and wind to try and get us while our Yule log is burning.

And that is how we celebrate the holiday season.
 
One of the things I love about this country (and I was born here!) is the myriad and variety of things I get 'wished' around December!

Just because I don't personally celebrate, let's just say Christmas, that doesn't mean it dosen't exist, and that someone can't wish that I "Have a great December 25th!" or any particuliar other holiday they hold dear. It may be 'just a day' to me, but the fact that it's special to them, and that they'd like me to enjoy it as well, I find enormously pleasing.

Each and every one of them are benevolant, kind, and posative. And to me that's all that matters.

PS: my family's basically christian, but we'd often celebrate both Christmas AND Haunaka. Why? Because life is too short NOT to celebrate!
 
Mpayne

The United States is NOT a Christian nation -- it is a nation with a lot of Christians. There IS a difference.
Perhaps you need a refresher course on the first document penned on American shores; The Mayflower Compact.
IN The Name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honor of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. In WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth and of Scotland, the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620
 
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