Vitter To Introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity

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Along these lines I E-mail my Senator when the first Vitter reciprocity was making the rounds and just received a response.

Dear Mr. Curtis:



Thank you for contacting me regarding the Reciprocity for Concealed Carry Permits. I value the opinion of every Nevadan and am always grateful to those who take the time to inform me of their views.



I strongly believe that the individual right to bear arms that is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution must be protected. The right to bear arms is critical to ensuring that the rest of the individual liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights are maintained. Nevadans have a long history of independence, and this independence is built on freedoms such as the right to bear arms. Nevadans count on their Second Amendment rights to defend themselves and preserve their way of life.



As you may know, the Reciprocity for Concealed Carry Permits amendment to H.R. 980 would allow individuals with valid concealed carry permits to legally carry a concealed weapon in states that also offer concealed carry permits. The amendment, which I support, would require permit holders to abide by the host state's concealed carry laws. Regrettably, this amendment never received a vote.



You may be interested to know, however, that I am an original co-sponsor of the District of Columbia Personal Protection Act of 2007 (S. 1001). This legislation would prohibit the D.C. government from enacting laws to prohibit the private ownership or use of firearms for sporting, self-protection, or other lawful purposes. In addition, I cosponsored an unsuccessful amendment to the National Forests, Parks, Public Land, and Reclamation Projects Authorization Act (S. 2483) that allowed for the possession of firearms in compliance with state laws in a U.S. National Park or U.S. National Wildlife Refuge System. Unfortunately, this amendment did not receive a vote either.



In further defense of the Second Amendment, I coauthored a letter to the Secretary of the Interior, Dirk Kempthorne, with 46 of my Senate colleagues. In this letter we encouraged exceptions to current regulations that would allow individuals to transport and carry firearms consistent with a host state's weapons laws. Secretary Kempthorne responded that it is the Department of Interior's (DOI) intent to update federal regulations related to firearm regulations on park and refuge lands to reflect existing federal and host state weapons laws. On May 30, the DOI proposed a rule that would allow individuals in national parks and wildlife refuges, in accordance with state law, to carry concealed weapons.



As Reciprocity for Concealed Carry Permits and further Second Amendment legislation come up for a vote in the full Senate, please be assured that I will continue to keep your thoughts in mind. Once again, thank you for contacting me on this very important issue. If you should have any further questions or comments, please feel free to write or e-mail me via my website at http://ensign.senate.gov.



Sincerely,



JOHN ENSIGN
 
Vitter's bill also respects the rights of states that allow concealed carry
without a permit. Citizens of Vermont and non-license holders in Alaska are
allowed to carry concealed without a permit. Under the Vitter bill, these
states would be recognized in the same manner as states that do issue
permits.
The logistics of that portion could easily kill the bill out of hand.

Since there are also felons in both Vermont and Alaska, how does the LEO know if this person is actually legal as he/she carries?

REALLY nice idea. Needs some more work.
 
If any sort of nationally recognized CCW is going to be initiated, common standards are going to have to come into play, just like with driving. And states that don't allow CCW at all are going to have be be dragged on board.

Bad idea. Vitters amendment is perfect because it keeps the FEDs are much out of it as possible. Good thing.

IMO, we already have a mandate that allows for national CCW. It's called the Second Amendment. Keep and bear arms. CCW and open carry are bearing arms. And any State in the Union has to follow the Constitution. Those states that don't allow the bearing of arms are in violation of the US Constitution.

Thats the only thing .gov should be doing, smacking the States that violate our Rights, not a bunch of bogus regulations and restrictions.

As to "different laws per state, hicaps" ect. ect. we already have that in many states anyway... even ones that recognize other states permits.

ALSO: With the protections from the "peaceable journey" laws in place if you were driving thru an area that had a XYZ restrictions provided you were legal in your starting and ending point, it wouldn't matter anyway.

Write those letters, MAKE PHONE CALLS!!!
 
It took at least 12 years to pass the Cop Carry Bill.I would love to see this bill passed,however I will not hold my breath.

Thats why i didn't support that bill and I told fellow gun owners they shouldn't.

All or nothing. A retired cop has no more (or less) a right to carry a gun than anyone else.

Look for da police (chiefs) to be fighting this tooth and nail... as we should have done for their nationwide CC... but didn't.
 
This bill will do more to hurt CCW then any other bill I've ever seen.

If it passes it will be struck down, there is no question of that. I can think of atleast 3 ways that some one could take this to court and WIN. I'm sure a legal egale could find atleast 2 dozen more.
 
Let me send it to mine...oh..wait.....he's teh one starting in. HURRAY!! I really do like some of the politicians we have been electing lately.
 
Utter nonsense...


really? seems like passing a law that will be struck down, is the utter nonsense. After it is struck down there will just add to the case law when it comes to states rights, which in turn will make it harder for any nation wide law to be passed.

Even if some legal eagle comes up with some bs so that its not struck down( don't hold your breath for this, becuase it will happen). Don't think for a second it won't make several states rethink thier CCW laws. So don't expect any new states joining the CCW list, but expect a few to drop off it.

If this was anything other then CCW permits, would you be fighting for it? What if it was say contractors Lic?


I can honestly say I would be fighting this if was any type of lic... one states laws should not be superseed by another states laws. Which is exactly what this bill does.

Then there is the entire 10th amendment... you know the one about the powers not given to the federal goverment are in the realm of the states.
 
I can honestly say I would be fighting this if was any type of lic... one states laws should not be superseed by another states laws. Which is exactly what this bill does.

So, how do you feel about my driver's license being honored by all the other 49 states?
 
Ahh but see there is a national standard when it comes to DL. In all 50 states you can get DL, if you meet the age reqs, pass a test and have no health probs. its not like that for CCW.


MarKK your letting your emotions get the better of you... rationally, this bill is a non starter.


If we replaced CCW with Contractors lic, would you still want it?

CLs are not that diffrent when it comes to CCW. Some states, its just pay a fee, others make you have 4 years in your trade, still others its just a test.

So would you be ok with hiring an out of state contractor that you knew nothing about, other then he could not legally get his CL in your state?
 
MarKK your letting your emotions get the better of you... rationally, this bill is a non starter.
Actually, all I'm getting is free bumps of this thread by a person making claims based on his own fantasies and nothing more.
So go right ahead and keep spewing your anti 2A rhetoric and help keep this thread alive and on top and keep those emails going out to our Senators.

Also please continue in the other thread on the same subject in the Legal section. Two threads are better than one. And with the tripe you write, it probably encourages even more people to action, lest your kind win.
Thanks,
 
Your right, I am giving it free bumps... while I'm at it I guess I'll write my congressmen, and tell them to vote for this bill, so when it passes, I can watch as its struck down. hell I'll even donate money to who ever is fighting it.

Why? becuase it violates the US cons on several levels.

I tell you what, go talk to a lawyer, about this bill. If your right, I'll pay for the hour, if I'm right you do. deal?
 
Then why don't you explain it to me... why is this a good bill?
 
Then why don't you explain it to me... why is this a good bill?

If you can't understand what you've read here, clear as day, My talking till I'm blue in the face sure won't put a dent in your ignorance.
 
thats what I thought... you want this bill and you FEEL its a good thing, but you can not back that up with logic.
 
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