For an unmodified 70 year old design, being fed cartridges it was not designed for, and manufactored by several different companies thru it's lifespan I think it does very well against todays competition. In fact it has out lived alot of it's competitors over the years.
Walther PPK not so popular anymore?
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George Hill
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Thread just below is about some people tickled with the CZ-70s they just got.
Those are PPK clones.
They remain as popular as ever with those that like that type of gun.
Those are PPK clones.
They remain as popular as ever with those that like that type of gun.
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George,
Does the success of a cheap semi-clone reflect on the original? I have a tiny American Arms .22, but I don't think it counts as a TPH sale.
An FEG is less than half the price of a Walther PP.
Does the success of a cheap semi-clone reflect on the original? I have a tiny American Arms .22, but I don't think it counts as a TPH sale.
An FEG is less than half the price of a Walther PP.
George Hill
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Well, yeah, it does.
Just because someone wants to pay 1/2 the money for the same pistol design?
I guess Ruger's Vaquero pistols have nothing to do with the popularity of the Single Action Army.
Just because someone wants to pay 1/2 the money for the same pistol design?
I guess Ruger's Vaquero pistols have nothing to do with the popularity of the Single Action Army.
PCRCCW
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Thread just below is about some people tickled with the CZ-70s they just got.
Those are PPK clones.
They remain as popular as ever with those that like that type of gun.
Goerge....your right.
BUT you can get a clone for 100$ that works
OR spend 500$ on a PPK that may not.
Classic or not........its a great point.
Shoot well
Those are PPK clones.
They remain as popular as ever with those that like that type of gun.
Goerge....your right.
BUT you can get a clone for 100$ that works
OR spend 500$ on a PPK that may not.
Classic or not........its a great point.
Shoot well
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George,
Well, if Colt doesn't sell any SAAs and Ruger sells a ton of Blackhawks, does it? It would acknowledge that the basic design has appeal, but not that anyone likes it enough to pay the big price for the real deal.
Consumers buy on price point. When they look at Walther PPs and see the price tag they end up looking at other $500 options - and usually buy one of them. When they have less than $200 to spend, the PP knockoffs are good competition for the other cheap guns. In neither case is the real Walther the more attractive option, which is why sales of the real Walther are down.
Your argument is kind of like saying that Pargo (fake) flooring proves that hard wood floors are more popular than ever.
Cheap carry pieces popular (whatever the design).
Small 9 and .40 pieces are popular.
The Walthers are neither.
Well, if Colt doesn't sell any SAAs and Ruger sells a ton of Blackhawks, does it? It would acknowledge that the basic design has appeal, but not that anyone likes it enough to pay the big price for the real deal.
Consumers buy on price point. When they look at Walther PPs and see the price tag they end up looking at other $500 options - and usually buy one of them. When they have less than $200 to spend, the PP knockoffs are good competition for the other cheap guns. In neither case is the real Walther the more attractive option, which is why sales of the real Walther are down.
Your argument is kind of like saying that Pargo (fake) flooring proves that hard wood floors are more popular than ever.
Cheap carry pieces popular (whatever the design).
Small 9 and .40 pieces are popular.
The Walthers are neither.
I will have to side with George Hill on this one. The people looking for Walthers or any other brand and have the money will purchase the original brand. The companies making the clones reconize the fact that something is popular, but not affordable, or available to everyone so they build a cheaper model for that customer base. The clones wouldn't exist and thrive if it wasn't for the popularity of the original design.
The originals have passed the test of time and gained it's classic status. It's price reflects that fact. The clones still have to prove that point, but in time it's price will still reflect that it is no more than a clone.
It's all in how you are willing to spend your money.
Bill Ruger built his empire making clones. The MKI .22lr pistol was a clone of the Luger, the Blackhawks were clones of the SAA.
Cheap carry pieces have always been popular. Only the cheap ones never survived the test of time.
9mm and 40SW may rule today, but .32 and .44 were the most popluar once too. Tomorrow may bring something different.
The classics will always be with us.
The originals have passed the test of time and gained it's classic status. It's price reflects that fact. The clones still have to prove that point, but in time it's price will still reflect that it is no more than a clone.
It's all in how you are willing to spend your money.
Bill Ruger built his empire making clones. The MKI .22lr pistol was a clone of the Luger, the Blackhawks were clones of the SAA.
Cheap carry pieces have always been popular. Only the cheap ones never survived the test of time.
9mm and 40SW may rule today, but .32 and .44 were the most popluar once too. Tomorrow may bring something different.
The classics will always be with us.
Jaco
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I think the Walther PPK will stay popular as long as SA revolvers, the P38, Luger, and Broomhandle will stay popular. Very few shooters won't want any of the above, although all are outdated and impractical for self defense in the lieu of modern arms, BUT it is and will stay a classic. And then there is the shooters that will use it as their carry gun because they don't know any better, or they know better, like me 
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Every member on this board knows that the PPK is too heavy, too weak, too big, too expensive, but look at the amount of posts on this board about this outdated beauty
...Every member on this board knows that the PPK is too heavy, too weak, too big, too expensive, but look at the amount of posts on this board about this outdated beauty
Copperhead
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I purchased a new PPK/s-1 made by Smith & Wesson. The fit and finish on this pistol are outstanding. Smith & Wesson is now making the PPK/s-1 using Ruger's Pine Tree casting for the frame and Smith & Wesson produces the slide and other major components.
I can also shoot 3" groups at 25 yards using sand bags. This gun is very easy to shoot with the new longer tang on the grip. ( No bite..) The gun is easy to conceal and a pleasure to carry, and the accuracy is just outstanding.
I can also shoot 3" groups at 25 yards using sand bags. This gun is very easy to shoot with the new longer tang on the grip. ( No bite..) The gun is easy to conceal and a pleasure to carry, and the accuracy is just outstanding.
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clubsoda22
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flyer, everyone who has shot my bersa has said the same thing. The PPK design is still as valid as ever.
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