Walther TPH-a little help

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So, a friend of mine bought one of these against my advice, and now it's in my possession for the repairs it needs. His first trip to the range, the DA quit functioning. I disassembled the pistol and found the tiny pawl on the hammer where the equally small reciprocating pawl on the trigger bar engages was ripped off. I also inspected the sear, only to find it was horribly chipped. I had him order a new hammer and sear, got them installed, and found that some small dimensional variations in the new hammer were not allowing the DA pawl on the trigger bar to engage. After much time and many disassemble, file & fit, reassemble processes, I got the DA to work just fine. Well, I'm testing the thing for function, and the hammer starts following. I figure I must've removed too much metal somewhere, so I break it down again. Low and behold, the NEW hammer has chipped away to almost nothing at the primary sear engagement point, in the same fashion that the old sear did. Is the metallurgy in these things really that poor??? I mean, we're talking maybe 80-100 firings and this damage occured. The hammer and sear both appear to be MIM, perhaps invesment cast. I attacked the old one with a file, and it was very hard, but evidently quite brittle. There are obvious casting/molding flaws as well.

I tried to take pics, but they didn't turn out. I'm just wondering if anyone else has fought with one of these before. It is my opinion at this point that the TPH is a very expensive POS mouse gun. The overall construction of the gun is much lower quality than I'd expect of such an expensive little pistol. My hundred dollar Phoenix HP-22 has fewer signs of wear after I don't know how many thousands of rounds.


I don't really know what to tell this guy. For some reason he is just in love with these things and wants to use it as a CCW. I steered him toward countless quality mouseguns, but he was just dead set on this TPH .22, dropped 5 bills on the gun, another $80 on these parts, and this is where we're at.
 
This is one of those situations where a smart gunsmith punts.
I'd refer him to Earl's Repair Service and have him send it in to them to take a look at it.

This does several things.
1. It gets the experts on Walther guns to attempt a lasting repair.

2. It gets you out of the loop. If he has more trouble, he can take it up with Earl's.

http://www.carlwalther.com/
 
Thanks for the link, dfariswheel

I've got the little gun working right now; I cut the sear notch further. I think I'll just give it back to him and advise him that the chipping of hammer and sear seem to be a chronic issue, to expect it again, and to do what I suggested in the first place for a CCW and get a P3AT or somesuch.
 
My stainless Interarms version has been reliable, although I've fired it probably fewer than 500 shots. It does (did) have a hairpin shaped spring that was too light. It's been several years and I don't recall exactly it's function, I think it was part of the DA system. Using some stronger spring wire to form a new spring (bend it around a nail to form the spring) solved it.

I'm curious now, I'll shoot it more to see if I have the same problem.

Is your friend's pistol a German or Interarms version?

I'm a huge fan of this little pistol and I wish someone would introduce a quality version with a light alloy frame at a sensible price under $500. Be a perfect pocket plinker.
 
It does (did) have a hairpin shaped spring that was too light. It's been several years and I don't recall exactly it's function, I think it was part of the DA system. Using some stronger spring wire to form a new spring (bend it around a nail to form the spring) solved it.

That's the trigger bar spring, and I did notice it is awfully light. I suspect that may lead to the wear that was evident at the hammer.


I'm a huge fan of this little pistol and I wish someone would introduce a quality version with a light alloy frame at a sensible price under $500

Though slightly larger, that'd pretty much be the Beretta Bobcat. Beretta mouseguns, unlike this walther, I've always found to be exemplory. The 950 is one of my favorites.

That was the other thing I really don't understand about the design of this pistol. It is just as big as P3AT, heavier, and still only holds six measly rounds of .22 LR.

I'd given this guy the opportunity to buy my folding grip NAA mini 1-5/8" magnum for $180, one of my Bauer's for $180, My 1st gen P32 for $220 or my Beretta Tomcat with night sight for $280. He declined. Would've been a lot better off.
 
Yep, I'm a big fan of the Berettas as well - I had a thread not long ago about removing the hammer pin from the 21a, which almost cannot be done - at least not by me, I never did find a good way to do it.

But as good as they are, they just aren't as sleek nor 'Waltherish' as the TPH.
 
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