We must boycott paypal!

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I realize this statement is nothing new and it's often overlooked by fools like myself. I didn't head the warnings that others have been giving. I've continued to use paypal to sell "firearm related" stuff and I never had a problem, until now. I sold a Sig P229 to a guy who wanted to use paypal. After recieving the payment I tried to transfer funds to my bank account and that's when things went downhill. I recieved an email from paypal tonight stating that my account has been "limited" and my funds transfer cancelled. Turns out they hold all funds for 180 days for accounts that are limited, and if you are limited because of firearms, there is no appeal.

After some heated discussion with paypal management over the phone, they still refused to give me access to that money. I did manage to convince them to refund the money to the buyer. I don't know the status of his account but I'm fearful that he's "limited" as well. Anyway, just a warning to those knuckleheads who are like me. Don't use paypal. When asked for clarification about their policy the manager said "basically anything firearm related will get you shut down if we catch it. Our investigators even look at internet forums and follow-up on deals the find there.

BEWARE!
 
jsut put goods - other and who is to know otherwise?

yes i am sure everybody just puts kimber 45 acp serial#### in the subject line and describes it in detail in the info box.. :rolleyes:

they cannot know unless someone tells them. period.
 
:barf: :banghead: I had heard about this policy before, but thanks for bringing it up again. What a bunch of bigoted loons.
 
How did they find out?
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Well, the buyer entered for item description "Sig P229" and put for the address "FFL address...etc.":banghead: I'm sure this is what got us. I myself always used good ole "goods/other".
 
Update: I just closed my account since I haven't used it for a while and have now decided that it's worth waiting a few days to just send a check. Besides the fees have gotten out of control. Here's what I left in the comments section:

I'm cancelling this account because of your outrageous and narrow-minded policy against firearm-related purchases. You have no right to dictate what legal products I may and may not buy with my own money. Feel free to continue with this malicious policy, but you will do so without my support and without my money.

I suggest those of you with Paypal accounts cancel your accounts with a similar message. Maybe a couple hundred closed accounts for the same reason will make at least make them notice.
 
I won't use them simply because I think the service is too expensive. I didn't need another reason, but this one is enough.

jmm
 
SnakeEater said:
I've continued to use paypal to sell "firearm related" stuff and I never had a problem, until now. I sold a Sig P229 to a guy who wanted to use paypal. After recieving the payment I tried to transfer funds to my bank account and that's when things went downhill. I recieved an email from paypal tonight stating that my account has been "limited" and my funds transfer cancelled. Turns out they hold all funds for 180 days for accounts that are limited, and if you are limited because of firearms, there is no appeal.

After some heated discussion with paypal management over the phone, they still refused to give me access to that money. I did manage to convince them to refund the money to the buyer. I don't know the status of his account but I'm fearful that he's "limited" as well. Anyway, just a warning to those knuckleheads who are like me. Don't use paypal. When asked for clarification about their policy the manager said "basically anything firearm related will get you shut down if we catch it. Our investigators even look at internet forums and follow-up on deals the find there.

BEWARE!
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Okay, so first you violated Paypal's policy and used your Paypal account in the sale of a firearm.

From Paypal
FIREARMS
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any firearm. This includes all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether for use in sporting, as collectibles, or curio and relic (C&R) firearms, and regardless of their present working order.
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Because you sold a firearm, the limited access to your account. Something tells me you did not convince Paypal to refund the money to the buyer as it is their policy to do so if they find you violated their rules. So they don't let the money go to you, but do return it.

From Paypal
If your Account Access is Limited. If the dispute covers only a specific transaction, we will only limit access to funds related to that particular transaction. If your account access has been limited, you will be notified by e-mail and requested to provide information relevant to your account. PayPal will investigate the matter promptly. If the investigation is in your favor, we will restore access to your account. If the investigation is not in your favor, PayPal may return funds to the sender and restore access to the remainder of your account, continue to limit your account access for up to 180 days as is necessary to protect PayPal against the risk of reversals, or may close your account by giving you notice and mailing a check for any funds in your account (minus funds that are in dispute) to the address that you have provided. If you are later determined to be entitled to the funds in dispute, PayPal will make an additional payment of those funds to you. Any of the following events may lead to your account being limited:
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So what do you expect when you break the rules? Granted, their policies suck, but you agreed to them and then violated them.
 
I didn't know about their firearms policy.

I'm with you on boycotting them based on that! I wouldn't bother trying to hide my transactions under "other", the principal annoys me enough not to use them....unless there is some reason why they do this.

But if not, I'm in.
 
Because you sold a firearm, the limited access to your account. Something tells me you did not convince Paypal to refund the money to the buyer as it is their policy to do so if they find you violated their rules. So they don't let the money go to you, but do return it.
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Well, you are simply wrong. They had every intention of freezing my account for 180 days. I had to convince a supervisor that since I haven't shipped the goods purchased they should refund the money. What exactly makes you so intuitive that you can call me a liar? My call for a boycott comes from the fact that although yes, I did indeed violate their asinine policy, many gunowners use paypal for things that a normal person would not consider policy breakers. I wish to inform everyone that your account can and will be frozen if they know you are using it for anything related to firearms, that is exactly what they told me.
 
I really have never understood their policy on this sort of stuff. Granted, they are in California and they are entitled to run their business as they please but IMO, they offer no different service than a credit card company and you don't see Mastecard and Visa telling what you can and cannot buy. I hope they go belly up myself along with parent eBay.

With all that said, if you choose to use PayPal, just don't put anything in the description. Works for me.

Greg
 
Granted, they are in California and they are entitled to run their business as they please
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So if they chose to deny service to blacks, jews, homosexuals, blind people, and illegal aliens, that would be OK too. The ACLU wouldn't gripe or sue about "equal access to credit and banking services." Riiiiight. :rolleyes:
 
I hate to say it, but PayPal is a privately owned company and they HAVE THE RIGHT . . . nevermind.
 
Does anyone know if they have a similar, explicit policy on drugs, legal or otherwise?

I only ask because I'm sure the reasoning they employ to justify their PC firearms policy is that the illegal sale of firearms is sometimes a federal offense. By the same token, however, they shouldn't be permitting the sale of drugs, whether OTC or prescription, for the same reasons. Sale of some types of drugs across state lines is also a federal offense.

Along the same lines, do they have policies on tobacco?
 
The fees are out of controll and they can do what they want because people still use them everyday
Until enough people make a stand its not going to change
 
Question and -

I feel PayPal/Ebay (same Company) has the right to not allow firearms merchandise to be sold etc for whatever reason, anti-2A or being based in California.
That said, if the real reason they avoid it is trying not to run afoul of Kali law etc., why do they allow adult material and services, sex toys, drug paraphanelia etc to be sold around the US and in Kali when it is also illegal in some areas?
Just so you know if you don't EBAY is one of the largest suppliers of porn in the US. Go to Ebay--> everything else--> mature audiences and order your self the newest "Barely Legal" DVD or just do a search for a Hookah Pipe for your college dorm room.
Disclaimer- I have no problem with adults doing drugs or porn, my point is if they are truly doing this from a business angle why not prohibit these items as well as they could be shipped to a "wrong" area or paid for with PayPal...
CT
 
It's supposedly

more about buying things like 30 round mags which are banned in Kali and using a Kali based company to do so and heaven fobid it get's shipped there.
www.craiglist.com also prohibits weapons posts and they are Kali based. But from what i hear Craig is your stereotypical anti 2A type...
CT
 
Interesting. I have a PayPal account for my biz, and I use my PayPal debit card at the range all the time. I wonder if the debit card is any different........
 
CentralTexas said:
more about buying things like 30 round mags which are banned in Kali and using a Kali based company to do so and heaven fobid it get's shipped there.
www.craiglist.com also prohibits weapons posts and they are Kali based. But from what i hear Craig is your stereotypical anti 2A type...
CT
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Dude.... there is an S between the "g" and the "l".

You gave a link to a porn site.
 
StormPay is firearms friendly. Problem is their cut is 6.8%, IIRC.

I never had PayPal problems. Course, all I ever bought were gardening supplies.
 
I use paypal for gun stuff and just don't put what its for.

I have no problem using anti-second amendment bigots to buy and sell gun related items.

It's about the only way to safely accept credit cards without having your own machine.
 
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