Well-Armed with a 4" .38 and 158 gr LRNs?

Well-Armed with a 4" .38 and 158 gr LRNs?

  • Perfectly Well-Armed- I would not need or want anything "better"

    Votes: 39 10.8%
  • Adequately Armed- I would feel OK with the situation

    Votes: 243 67.5%
  • Inadequately Armed- I would feel "underguned"

    Votes: 78 21.7%
  • Worthless- Where is my K-BAR?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    360
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Hollow base wadcutter loaded upside down ( hollow base out).....and i'd be fine with the old Police positive , as many folks within this thread have highlighted you need to be able to hit what you're aiming at.

But then again what does a grey haired old curmudgeon like me know anyway.




B.
 
Hello friends and neighbors // Alright with the situation

The weight of the 158gr. helps balance things out a bit.
Lower recoil with help speed and accurracy on second shot.
Once I have decided to fire shot placement is always first consideration anyway.
 
I understand the poll, but I have to ask what the point is.
Any gun store where you can get .38 LRN, you should also be able to get something with a better track record. Even if it's just going to 158 grain SWC's.

FWIW, I would carry it if I had no other choice.
I did carry a 2" .38 for a little while loaded with 158 grain LRN's because that was the only ammo I had at the time. I could shoot that gun fairly well so I wasn't too worried about the loading. I do feel that where the bullet goes is the most important part of the equation.
But as soon as I found some JHP's I switched them out.
 
this is a fine combination. 32 sw longs ahve killed a lot of people over the years, and this cartrdige has done better at the job then others.

jelly bryce used this cartridge on a large number of criminals and he never said "gee a 158 gr lrn through their forehead doesnt kill as well as a single pelle of 000 buckshot to their gut"
 
jelly bryce used this cartridge on a large number of criminals and he never said "gee a 158 gr lrn through their forehead doesnt kill as well as a single pelle of 000 buckshot to their gut"
Do you have a reference for that? I'd be interested in reading it; I know he used a 44 and 38 early in his career, but have never seen a reference to what load.
Regards,
Greg
 
everything i can find on his actual loadings was that he was using the standard 158 grain lead roundnose bullets that police were using. read that he did try the 38/44 for a while.

however there is one thing thats made me laugh over the years. everyone says the best shotgun load for self defense is buckshot. buckshot is roundball and has the same frontal profile, hemisphere, that makes 158 grain lead roundnose bullets from a 38 special USELESS for self defense. Go figure.
 
I'd be fine with a 4" barreled .38 loaded with about anything but 158 gr. LRN. Has one of the worst reputations of any of the rounds/calibers out there. If you throw some 158gr. LSWCHP's in that gun you have a fine weapon for self defense. Alot of the old timers loaded 148gr. wadcutters in their .38's rather than the 158gr. LRN. This round was referred to by some as the "widow maker". If it was all I had I would use it. That's about it though.
 
Like everybody else, gun is fine, ammo is not... That being said, if I had a gunfight with my evil twin armed with a Glock 17, we might have some problems :D
 
ammo isnt great but rule #1....bring a gun.

i would feel a little undergunned carrying it every day given the options i have, but if i needed it right now i really wouldnt care what kind of ammo i was firing, i would just be thanking God that i had my gun when i needed it most!!!
 
If you knew your ex-wife's new husband or your new wife's ex-husband was lying in ambush with irrational and irreconcilable hatred, and that he carried a four inch Model 10 loaded with 158gn LRN, would you relax? I thought not.
"Widow Maker", indeed.
 
better than the thousands out there with the latest wix bang .380's but a strange choice given the defense specific loads available for a .38.
 
after seeing .38 158's from a snub go through a 4 inch piece of split red oak i wouldn't want to be on the round end of a LRN. I carry gold dots but in a pinch would be perfectly happy with LRN. I feel that the sound alone would make the BG high tail. I also dont encounter very many PCP addicts.
 
I have a Colt Police Positive and the only ammo I can find for it is, of course, LRN. :D

Now, the last thing a criminal wants is to get caught. The next to last thing they want is to get shot or stabbed because this will lead to an inquiry from hospital personnel and police as to why they have that type of wound. :eek:

Therefore, unless they are better armed, I think anything that puts them at a disadvantage will cause them to flee, even if it is just a little old revolver with LRN bullets. :neener:
 
Semiwadcutters aren't a new fangled invention. I wouldn't feel under-equipped with 158gr in .38.
I don't load, buy, or carry LRN ammo in .38, I'd rather carry my target wadcutter reloads than LRN. I see no reason to use round profile bullets in a revolver.
 
Good gun----terrible ammo

A S&W model 10, especially the 4 inch heavy barrel, COLT Official Police with 4 inch barrel or RUGER Security Six would all be fine. Add rubber grips and at least 1 speed loader.

FORGET THAT ROTTEN, WORTHLESS ROUND! I would just as soon ban production of the lead round nose just to prevent people from making that choice. It was known as the WIDOWMAKER for a reason.

I used to buy REMINGTON 125 grain +P hollow point in 100 round boxes at WALMART. It was my practice and carry ammo. It was cheap, worked on the street and easy to shoot. I would have no qualms about using it for protection.

Jim
 
Not the best choice on the ammo but I guarantee that a 158grn LRN through the heart will put you in the dirt. I wouldnt feel undergunned but would want better ammo.
 
The era of the old round-nose was coming to an end by the time I put on a Sam Browne; we had that fancy Super Vel 110-grain ammo. But we still shot a lot of lead ammunition because it was cheaper.

For a gun that is celebrating its 110th birthday this year, the Model 10 is a fine gun and I wouldn't have any problem with it. A little polishing of the innards and the Model 10 is a sweet-shooting gun. I used to have a Model 10 with the old five-inch tapered barrel and a buddy of mine had the six-inch barrel. Then we both got the four-inch bull barrel version and I have no idea how many rounds of .38 Special we put through them.

We had a three-station RCBS reloading setup and could really crank out the reloads. Bought cast bullets from a fellow in San Antonio. I remember one time, my buddy called me and told me we had to go up to his ranch and burn a thousand rounds because he had forgotten to wipe the beeswax off the bullet bases and we needed to use them up before the wax contaminated the powder. We each fired off 500 rounds through those Model 10s that day.

Everyone bellyaching about the ammo is apparently unfamiliar with the term "issued ammunition." What was in your gun and on your belt was what the department said was going to be there or you were going to enjoy an unpaid vacation. 158-grain RN was "issue ammunition" for a lot of years. If you were serious about coming out on top, you spent a lot of time at the range.

I don't have a Model 10, mostly because I haven't been able to find one, but I do have a Model 60 with a three-inch barrel and I actually have a couple boxes of 158-grain round-nose lead cartridges. They're range fodder and I sure as heck don't plan to use them as SD ammo but if that was my issue ammo, I'd make the best of it. After all, it could have been worse; we could have been stuck with Iver Johnson Owlheads in .38 S&W!
 
If you knew your ex-wife's new husband or your new wife's ex-husband was lying in ambush with irrational and irreconcilable hatred, and that he carried a four inch Model 10 loaded with 158gn LRN, would you relax?

Mossberg 500>model 10.
 
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