Well known Gun rights expert arrested

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Does anyone know what was going on here?



Was Joel Rosenberg attempting to challenge a law or has he lost it?



http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/joel-rosenberg-minneapolis-city-hall-gun-arrest

Gun Rights Advocate Arrested for Bringing Loaded Gun to Minneapolis City Hall

Updated: Thursday, 09 Dec 2010, 9:43 AM CST
Published : Thursday, 09 Dec 2010, 8:56 AM CST


As the author of Everything You Need to Know About Legally Carrying a Gun in Minnesota, Joel Rosenberg teaches others the ins and outs of the state’s permit to carry law. But police say the certified gun instructor didn’t quite follow his own advice.

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[docnyt]

I wonder what the real story is. There seems to be some background between him and the officer, if you believe the comments posted.

 

[JPG19]

This guy is an idiot and gives the anti-2A'ers plenty of ammo (pun intended) they didn't need. If the police ask you to disarm, you do so. Have a problem with it? Handle it <i>after</i> you have disarmed yourself. Breaking the law while antagonizing the police is damn near worthy of a Darwin award.

 

[JohnBT]

"if you believe the comments posted"

The story didn't make any sense until I read the comments.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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JohnBt, what are the statements?



What is the story once you read them?


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[cassandrasdaddy]

another source

http://www.commongunsense.com/2010/12/i-dont-make-these-things-up.html

 

[razorback2003]

Did he even break a law? I don't think there are many places in Minn you can't carry a gun. Yes the property owner may be able to ask you to leave (who knows about this one) but I don't know if he broke any sort of real state law. It may be a cop on a power trip. Might want some folks from Minn who truly know Minn law and the penalties to weigh in. I know handgunlaw.us has a lot of information.

I glanced at handgunlaw.us and it doesn't look like it is illegal to carry at a local govt/city hall building in Minnesota. The lawyer probably is no idiot and the cop might be in the wrong for the arrest and could be the fool in the story.

 

[Sam1911]

The issue seems to be twofold, if I understand it correctly:

1) If the building is a courthouse, and he has a permit, he must NOTIFY (but not necessarily receive approval from) the sheriff that he is planning to carry there. (Some supporters are saying that he has proof that he complied with this.)

2) The rule forbidding carry in that particular building was made by a judge's edict and does not follow MN state law. The signs prohibiting carry are (from what I understand) not legally binding.

Accordingly, the scanty evidence at the moment seems to point to Mr. Rosenberg setting up a legal challenge to the judge's prohibition.

Also of note, Mr. Rosenberg was not arrested during the incident -- he was disarmed, but his weapon was returned to him and he was sent on his way. He was arrested a month later on charges that appear to be inapplicable.

Mr. Rosenberg is a CCW instructor and author on the subject. (Apparently he's also instructed some classes for the Police.) He had the incident of his disarmament videotaped and was careful to not allow things to escalate and lead to further charges.

My money is on him knowing what he's doing and probably winning. We'll see.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

another source

http://www.commongunsense.com/2010/1...things-up.html

Briefly reading that blog made me lose some IQ points and feel dizzy..

 

[Sam1911]

Briefly reading that blog made me lose some IQ points and feel dizzy..

I read pretty much the whole thing. It is disheartening to hear so much confusion and hostility to what we take for granted, but I was pretty impressed with a few of the respondants who really took the time to represent us gun rights (and rights in general) folks well.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Well Known??

I never heard of him.

AFS

 

[Sam1911]

I never heard of him.

Eh... he wrote a book and I suppose he's well-known in Minnesota gunny circles.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...About_Legally_Carrying_a_Handgun_in_Minnesota

 

[Kentucky_Rifleman]

It sounds like he's setting up a challenge to the location prohibition. I've read some of his articles, and this man is sharp! Whether he wins his challenge or not, he'll have plotted this thoroughly.

The charges against him are contempt of court (by defying the judge's edict). If the judge's edict is found unconstitutional, Rosenburg wins his case and delivers a sharp blow to local governments' rights to create "gun free zones" at whim.

Color me a fan of Mr. Rosenburg! I GUARANTEE a lawsuit will will follow shortly.

KR

 

[NukemJim]

Mr Rosenburg has written Military Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Self Defense Law in Minn. His most successfull genre is fantasy.


There is a lot of background going on that I know of and I am sure even more that I do NOT know of.

If you google the gun blogs you will find much to read and there are some videos posted online as well essentially taunting one specific police officer. Whatever was done was not spur of the moment and I am sure there are going to be a few surprises appearing.

NukemJim

 

[sniper5]

Guess I am out of the inner circles. Never heard of the guy.

 

[goalie]

Was Joel Rosenberg attempting to challenge a law or has he lost it?

He has "lost it."

 

[Sam1911]

He has "lost it."

May be. Can you explain why you think that's so?

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Does anyone know what Rosenberg's endgame/plan for all of this is?

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[goalie]

May be. Can you explain why you think that's so?

Because I have read his blog and his "open letter" to the police officer in question.

http://www.familymattersii.com/open_letter.php

 

[Warhawk83]

^-- It appears that he wrote that while very angry and left it up for some reason. At the end he mentions an appointment on November 9 so I wonder what happened then? If it were me, I don't think I would poke the bear, at least in a publicly blatant way. He may well get this dismissed depending on what he can prove about the officer's behavior.

 

[Warhawk83]

When Rosenberg removed his jacket, revealing one of the two lawfully-carried handguns on his person, Palmer
leaped at him, laid hands on him without lawful authority or Rosenberg's consent, and removed one of
Rosenberg's pistols, "sweeping," or momentarily pointing it, at Rosenberg as he moved to unload it.

Here is some more info.


http://www.familymattersii.com/press/press_release_20101105.pdf

 

[Carl N. Brown]

It took a month to decide the incident was arrest-worthy? Sounds like a personal tiff between Rosenberg and Palmer going public, not necessarily an intentional test of the carry law.

Reading the comments*, Rosenberg and officer Palmer had a prior history. Rosenberg met Palmer to get information Palmer had been witholding from Rosenberg about Rosenberg's wife's arrest and the treatment of his daughter after that. Rosenberg may have been videoing the encounter over those issues related to the wife's arrest. Palmer demanded Rosenberg disarm, unloaded and returned Rosenberg's gun to him. A month later, after Rosenberg blogged and e-mailed about the incident, he gets arrested for bringing the gun to the courthouse?

* the article linked above was: Maury Glover, "Gun Rights Advocate Arrested for Bringing Loaded Gun to Minneapolis City Hall", Fox 9 News, Thursday, 09 Dec 2010, 8:56 AM CST.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

what were the circumstances of his wifes arrest?

 

[goalie]

Here is some more info

Keep in mind that what you linked is written by Joel, just like the open letter. He does his own press releases.....

 

[Jim K]

Any actrivist who chooses to challenge a law takes a chance of being arrested. But in this case, it sounds like a case of a "no compromise" activist and an "I'll get the SOB" cop going at it. One hopes that cooler heads and unbiased courts will prevail.

Jim