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Well, who knew: "...gun accidentally shatters toilet."

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modern firearms do accidentally discharge when the trigger is not pulled.
do not doubt me on this one.

retrain and let it go.....


Got any examples? Personally, I have yet to see a handgun discharge without the trigger being pulled, whether intentionally or not, whether by the human hand or another object accidentally in the trigger guard. And I have been around a lot of handguns in a lot of places in a lot of circumstances. And any time someone says "just trust me", my spidey sense gets all tingly. They're either selling used cars or talking out their posterior orifice. My bet is this was a case of fumbling for it as it began to slide from the position she normally carried it. In other words, one of her fingers likely got in the trigger guard accidentally.
yeah I have an example. bolt closed on a round and the safety on dropped the rifle and I have a hole in my arm to prove it. so go yank on something else. this is one of the reasons I think this site is feeble, you boys think in absolutes. cause you can't or it didn't happen to you, you think you know.
childish. yeah I already have a demerit and really do not care.
some of you are really silly.
modern firearms do go off without a finger in your eye or on the trigger.
nd yes. my fault, yes. I know and admit this so go find someone else to tell that they do not know what they are talking about. this was in 2006 and I could have lost my left arm.
luckily I did not but I still have only half the feeling in my left hand.
you guys got thr right? some of the stuff I read here is well. Stupid.
so now flame me with all your derision about this and that, but do know I know you do not know what the hell you are talking about.
 
The case in hand is a pistol. That doesn't make anyone's experience getting shot with their own firearm any better, tho.

It does have to be asked how the bullet managed to hit you when closing the bolt. Apparently either the muzzle was pointed at your body, or it ricocheted. In the first case, firearms safety addresses it - always point the muzzle where you intend to shoot. Nowhere else.

In the second, we learn by others examples. Bullets have been known to come straight back after hitting a hard object. People have been injured, in the rare case, killed. Goes to another safety rule, know your backstop.

A lot of us do understand the concern about things happening. Some of us let things like that happen to us, and it was due entirely to a lack of making the right decision. That doesn't mean others don't have their heads screwed on right, or can't make the observation that safety was violated.

I got hit by a falling tree limb and had three ribs broken on both ends, a wedged vertebra, plus a compound fracture that required a titanium rod to repair my leg. Entirely self inflicted because I violated a safety rule. I also manned up and accepted it as being my fault entirely.

What I do see in the general public is an unwillingness to do the same - "The gun went off accidentally and I shot" whatever. Well, precisely because people DO make mistakes, and specifically because they are human and don't always foresee an unintentional consequence, we have safety rules. Nonetheless, it's up to the individual to think about what they are doing and prepare for that worst case - or accept the consequences.

Basically, yelling about it at others and inviting further criticism isn't really settling the issue for you. Like the teacher in the toilet, any way you cut it, she shot herself, and so did you. You put unwarranted trust in the safety mechanism of a man made object that you alone are responsible to keep in good working order.

It wasn't a pleasant experience, and there might be some long term consequences ( as I very well know.) But what you do from that point forward in examining the results and modifying your behavior is what counts.

Six months after I was injured, I was right back in my yard cutting down a tangled mess of trees still left from that same tornado that caused my earlier injury. I had plenty of time to research and improve my safety awareness. I took my time and gave each situation some thought, got the limbs cut up, and didn't get tangled in them as they slid down a 45 degree slope as they became loose.

I can't make that recommendation for everyone. Some just need to stop and walk away. The necessary ability to see a risk doesn't exist. Others simply make a small mistake amplified by the impact of a bullet. They have the ability, what they didn't have at that moment was the discipline to make the right decision every time. And that is entirely human.

It can happen to any of us.

BTW, anyone who read my previous post with a straight face and took it verbatim, here's a clue: ;)
 
I got hit by a falling tree limb and had three ribs broken on both ends, a wedged vertebra, plus a compound fracture that required a titanium rod to repair my leg. Entirely self inflicted because I violated a safety rule. I also manned up and accepted it as being my fault entirely.
I had a friend over to help me remove a large limb not too long ago and he had an accident that could have been fatal but was, fortunately for everyone, only embarrassing and a little painful. Lesson learned!
so now flame me with all your derision about this and that, but do know I know you do not know what the hell you are talking about.

As I mentioned in an earlier post I DID have a rifle go off without the trigger being pulled (as far as I can tell). Fortunately for me the gun was pointing down range and no one was in any danger (from the bullet at least).
 
the op was modern firearms do not go off on there on. I dropped the rifle and I really was not yelling at anyone. I just do not like being told, directly, you do not know what you are talking about. I accept what happened to me and live with it everyday. so saying you learn from life is correct. I have not shot myself again.
 
the op was modern firearms do not go off on there on. I dropped the rifle and I really was not yelling at anyone. I just do not like being told, directly, you do not know what you are talking about. I accept what happened to me and live with it everyday. so saying you learn from life is correct. I have not shot myself again.
what model rifle was it?
 
As you state, it happened. What a number of us were trying to point out is that "everyone" uses the same excuse for their incident, and the resulting investigation of fact usually results in their behavior being the cause.

As a blanket statement of culpability, nope. Most guns don't just go off. The owner had somehow manipulated the trigger.

Case in point, a Glock, which I have owned, along with an LCP, both of which were uncomfortable carrying with a round in the chamber. Anything that could engage the trigger will cause them to fire. Because of that and other issues, I sold them and bought a 1911 style compact 9mm. When I carry it, I carry cocked and locked - which really bothers others, who refuse to do so. My experience in the service, carrying daily for months, refutes their worry. Their experience carrying a SAFE action gun certainly refutes my concern, but we don't accept it and keep doing what we feel is appropriate, anyway.

Which goes to the shoulder holster recommendation, something experienced carriers do use for their daily activities. Because of our focus on LEO practices and the influence of pistol competition, a number of self appointed experts would tell you that only a belt holstered gun is the correct method of carry. It provide the fastest access because "your life depends on fractions of a second"

Well, serious embarrassment, legal entanglements, and a duty to represent a competent body of users would therefore indicate that belt holstered guns have a significant disadvantage or that a serious training issue remains unaddressed. Toilets are getting shot with some frequency. To paraphrase a line from a movie, "Many toilets have died to get us this information."

What then is the cause and how do we fix it?
 
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