Terry G
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What made me think is "Modern 9MM ammunition now carries enough knock down power as a .45 ACP". Yeah, but .45 Ammunition has not been standing still either.
Beat me to it.Biggest limiting factor of 45acp is the fat cartridge limits mag capacity.
And we're not Elmer Keith, upping the ante until we take the top strap off an SAA. Let's stay inside the guidelines.Because if you commercially produce and market something outside of SAAMI specs,
and a mishap occurs, the lawyers will eat your lunch. That's why.
CIP applies in Europe.
Road and Track magazine had a photo back in the early 1970's showing Juan Manual Fangio, a five time Formula One champion, looking at the current for the day Formula One wide car slicks. The caption read, "I remember when drivers were fat and tires were skinny."Sometimes short, fat and slow just has to do.
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I understand that the Cavalry was involved in the selection of the 45 ACP round. It was replacing the 38 Colt revolver round that had poor performance against the Moro Indians in the Philippines during the Philippine-American war around the early 1900's.And as a horse-killer for mounted troops and/or Cavalry. Mounted use is the "why" for having the various safeties, also all the lanyard loops.
Hey, I resemble that!
I actually remember seeing that picture and caption. Although, apparently the Formula 1 guys are back to being pretty buff, just to deal with the exertion and G-forces.The caption read, "I remember when drivers were fat and tires were skinny."
We have to remember the blackpowder heritage, when the only means of getting more power was increasing caliber and throweight. Punkin' rollers were the only option, or so it seemed.I understand that the Cavalry was involved in the selection of the 45 ACP round. It was replacing the 38 Colt revolver round that had poor performance against the Moro Indians in the Philippines during the Philippine-American war around the early 1900's.
More than just the Cavalry. Using tucks to move troops around was a decade or two in the future.The Cavalry was still a mainstream part of the army back then.
A .45 inch diameter bullet in a .36 inch diameter case wouldn't feed very well . . .Biggest limiting factor of 45acp is the fat cartridge limits mag capacity. I was carrying a 45acp Shield for awhile but that pistol with a spare mag limited me to 15 rds total. I decided to start carrying a 40s&w Glock 23 P80 with a full size spare mag to get a total of 29 rds. I think the 40s&w is a better woods cartridge and penetrates better. With hard cast bullets I'd be comfortable with it in bear country.
SAAMI didn't create the specifications, so I still do not see how it is their fault.Because if you commercially produce and market something outside of SAAMI specs,
and a mishap occurs, the lawyers will eat your lunch. That's why.
CIP applies in Europe.
10mm can shoot a 200gr bullet faster and hold more rounds.180gr 10mm has the same sectional density as .45 caliber 230gr.
Therefore 180gr is to 10mm what 230gr is to .45 ACP, except 10mm can propel the lighter bullet much faster.
My Springfield 1911 double-stack has a capacity of 14 +1.Biggest limiting factor of 45acp is the fat cartridge limits mag capacity.
Love 45 super I have one of them a Springfield V-16 Long Slide 1911 great cartridge great gun it came with both springs a 18 lb for 45 auto and a 22 lb for 45 Super …… 45 Super is a very powerful cartridge when loaded close to max before you try to load these in a 45 Auto gun you need to see a competent gun smith you don’t want to eat the slide it does happen and I have seen it happen this cartridge like the Rowland version shows how capable the 45 can be .45 ACP FMJ will shoot through two full-size gelatin blocks back-to-back and keep going.
45 ACP with expando bullets penetrates to the same depth as all other major calibers shooting expando bullets.
So what's the issue?
Remember too, there's 45 Super. Works on most 45 ACP guns without any modification. Except you might want to see how it functions with heavier recoil spring to minimize beating the gun up. 45 Super uses a case that is thicker in the web, because the first limiting factor on "hot-rodding" 45 ACP is the brass cartridge-case, and not the guns that shoot it.
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Only issue I see is 45 ACP guns tend to be the heaviest, and carry a few less rounds. Maybe somebody will bring up 10mm and "bears" or some such. OK, bears then. If you're gonna shoot a bear with a handgun, be sure to shoot a bullet that doesn't have a real conical-shaped nose. Because any bullet at handgun speed does risk bouncing off bone on its way to wherever bullets that bounce off bone go. Remember, you are 99.9% more likely to be attacked by a crack-head in a wife-beater than a bear. Probably even in Alaska. So there's that.
You shouldn't have to spend a fortune on 45 Super ammo, because how many bears will you really have to shoot?
Now, if you want a lightweight, high(ish) capacity carry piece, get you one of the plastic-fantastic guns that are popular these days. Then and head on out to the 7-11 for a corn dog and some smokes. Aint gotta dress up like John Wayne to go everywhere. Not that I would hold it against you if you did.
My Springfield 1911 double-stack has a capacity of 14 +1.
The real limiting factor with 45acp is it’s weight. Stuff a 1911 with 15 rounds of 230 gr and you’ll see what I mean. Even a CZ 97 with 10+1 rounds is a handful.
Me and my brother in law were in a conversation the other night about this caliber. He recently purchased a 10mm and I am purchasing a ruger Blackhawk 45 colt. We both mentioned that we had looked at 45 acp but after really looking at it it’s really a pretty narrow use cartridge as far as bullet specs atleast factory ammo. Good for self defense but not for hunting really or wilderness protection against bears, large predators. We wondered why can’t the 45 acp equal a 10mm? It has heavier bullets but why can’t it be souped up to similar power? Is it the case? Firearms? Just no interest? What am I missing?
It wasn't designed as a wilderness protection round. It is military/personal defense round.