What about a .50 BMG Handi Rifle

[PT1911]

I have a hunch it would be a nice variant of the following...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJSZs-euZU

one thing is certain.. you would only make that mistake one time...

 

[Acera]

Question for all of you who make comments about the 50 BMG like,

You would break your shoulder...the 50 needs the gas operation and lots of wt to absorb recoil.

Do you own or have you ever shot a .50 BMG? Talk to the guys that have them (I do) and you can get the truth. They are not that bad, I have a single shot that kicks like a 12 gauge. I use military surplus APIT ammo, not special soft handloads.

There are tons of threads on here about the BMG rifles, and the many different types. Try to pick up some knowledge before you make your assumptions.

Personally I do not think that the H&R has the beef to handle the bigger barrel. However, they could probably make one if they had a larger frame to base it on, and a different locking system.


Plus, if they made it, it would be safe to shoot.

 

[PT1911]

Do you own or have you ever shot a .50 BMG? Talk to the guys that have them (I do) and you can get the truth. They are not that bad, I have a single shot that kicks like a 12 gauge.

does this single shot of yours have any sort of a recoil absorbing system on it or are you taking the full brunt of the round in the shoulder... handi's have no recoil absorbing capabilities beyond the butt bad.. if you want to try it... go for it, but dont insult everyone who legitimately realizes that a bullet twice the size of a 300 win mag (likely much more) would kick a little harder than a 12 ga in a gun that obsorbs ZERO recoil.

 

[AKElroy]

does this single shot of yours have any sort of a recoil absorbing system on it or are you taking the full brunt of the round in the shoulder... handi's have no recoil absorbing capabilities beyond the butt bad.. if you want to try it... go for it, but dont insult everyone who legitimately realizes that a bullet twice the size of a 300 win mag (likely much more) would kick a little harder than a 12 ga in a gun that obsorbs ZERO recoil.

Agreed--No muzzle brake in a light rifle, a .50 is going to break something, and not just the gun. Simple physics. Their is a reason this gun is primarily a MOUNTED weapon. It is beautiful artillary, blissfully legal. It requires a firing platform that strains the definition of "rifle". None of my rifles weigh 40 lbs. And for the record, it's 3.5 times heavier than a .300 mag! (750-800 gr).

 

[Acera]

So what do you base your claims on PT1911? How can you mount an argument over something you know very little about?

My rifle has a factory muzzle brake, and a stock MagPul PRS stock, with no extra recoil pad. I am waiting on the PRS pad which supposedly is in production (for over a year now). Here is a video of it in action. Obviously the shooter is OK, did not break his shoulder, or launch him backward into the next county. You guys over think this stuff, just like the anti's who don't know what they are talking about either.

http://s494.photobucket.com/albums/rr301/300Acera/?action=view&current=P2140016.flv



I am sure if they made a handi in 50 BMG, they would put a brake on the muzzle, and a pad on the stock. The extra weight of the heavy barrel would increase the weight to a level where shooting it would not be that difficult for us men.

BTW this rifle is around 25 lbs.

 

[Acera]

AKElroy wrote:

It is beautiful artillary, blissfully legal. It requires a firing platform that strains the definition of "rifle".

So where you at in Texas AKElroy? If you are close to Houston, we can go shoot this rifle then you can talk from a position of knowledge. I am serious, I have plenty of ammo.

You guys give me a few minutes, I remember a video of a 7 year old shooting one of these, I will try to find it. That might convince you of your errors in judgment and physics.

Make that an 8 year old, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFa-c4B6KY&feature=channel_page#

BTW it kicks harder in the prone position because you body does not move back as much, and absorb the recoil in the same manner.



I will in the future take a video of the rifle shooting without a muzzle brake on it. Just to show you that you can survive. LOL

 

[PT1911]

So what do you base your claims on PT1911? How can you mount an argument over something you know very little about

first, you know nothing about me or my base of knowledge... second you dont know about this hypothetical rifle any more than I do in that you do not own the "said" rifle..

when you shoot a 50 bmg handi-rifle (that is break open single shot), then you can tell me how it would kick. Modern 50 bmg's (with their muzzle breaks and overall recoil management systems are very tame, but that is not the gun in question.. We are conversing about a hypothetical, break over, single shot 50 BMG. NO MUZZLE BREAK, NO LIMB SAVER RECOIL PAD, NO CRAZY WEIGHT. Just a simple gun, with a big ass bullet.

50 bmg specs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG

.577 t-rex specs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.577_Tyrannosaur

now, I may not know everything, but this clip shows what happens when you pull the trigger on the .577 t-rex, now seeing as the 50 bmg is a much more powerful round capable of a pushing an 800 grain bullet at nearly 3,000 FPS and the T-rex is capable of pushing a 750 grain bullet at 2500 FPS, I can only assume the 50 is going to result in more recoil in a comparable rifle.

this is a bit more than a 12 ga recoil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJSZs-euZU

 

[nmlongbow]

Handi Rifles weigh about 7 lbs. I'm sure H & R could make a 50BMG rifle but a 25+ lb gun wouldn't quite be a Handi Rifle anymore.

 

[PT1911]

I remember a video of a 7 year old shooting one of these

we arent talking about your prettied up compensated play pretty!!!! how hard is that to understand... nobody doubts that a 50BMG through a gun with all the bells and whistles would be very manageable (otherwise nobody would shoot one.. EVER!) nobody is referring to that gun...

 

[Acera]

Look back at my previous posts and try to comprehend my point. If you made a handi rifle in .50 BMG it would have to be heavier. The barrel alone would significantly add to the weight. Why would they produce something that would not be able to be shot? They would put a brake and a pad on it. The frame is not large enough for it now, and the locking system is not strong enough. With both of those beefed up, you could have an inexpensive inroad into this area of the sport.

If they made one, it would be shootable!

Most of my comments have been to those who have no idea what it is like to shoot a big rifle, and made generalized statements full of false assumptions.

now, I may not know everything, but this clip shows what happens when you pull the trigger on the .577 t-rex, now seeing as the 50 bmg is a much more powerful round capable of a pushing an 800 grain bullet at nearly 3,000 FPS and the T-rex is capable of pushing a 750 grain bullet at 2500 FPS, I can only assume the 50 is going to result in more recoil in a comparable rifle.

Well no kidding, do you feel proud for that little piece of wisdom?? And why do you insist on talking about the .577 T-Rex? It is nowhere in the same ball park as a inexpensive single shot .50 BMG

all the bells and whistles

What bells and whistles? A muzzle brake? LOL you really don't know what is out there as far as 50 shooting do you.

 

[PT1911]

What bells and whistles? A muzzle brake? LOL you really don't know what is out there as far as 50 shooting do you.

lets see...good muzzle break= 50% or more less felt recoil

i would call that the bells and whistles... Look dude, if you just want to argue, cool, but you are doing so off the assumption that everyone here is an idiot who doesnt realize that the modern 50 bmg rifles have mild recoil. ONCE AGAIN... this is not the point... I guess now I will have to specify... a handi-rifle in a break open design 50 BMG with no muzzle break and nothing special in the way of a recoil pad would suck to shoot!!!!

Well no kidding, do you feel proud for that little piece of wisdom??

Proud? not at all, anyone can put 2 and 2 together... well...almost....


I provided that clip to show what a comparable (yet smaller) round would result in in a comparable rifle configuration (though it is a bolt not a break)
but you said it would kick like a 12 ga, I will take your word for it.

 

[Acera]

Hey PT remember when you posted this?

does this single shot of yours have any sort of a recoil absorbing system on it or are you taking the full brunt of the round in the shoulder... handi's have no recoil absorbing capabilities beyond the butt bad.. if you want to try it... go for it, but dont insult everyone who legitimately realizes that a bullet twice the size of a 300 win mag (likely much more) would kick a little harder than a 12 ga in a gun that obsorbs ZERO recoil.

That was the garbage out of your keyboard I was referring to. I know it's late and you ADD meds. may be wearing off, but try to keep up.

 

[Acera]

a handi-rifle in a break open design 50 BMG with no muzzle break and nothing special in the way of a recoil pad would suck to shoot

Why would they make that? They would not! Give the manufacturer some credit for knowing how to make a rifle.

And what does that have to do with your favorite video?

 

[Acera]

who doesnt realize that the modern 50 bmg rifles have mild recoil

Never said that. I said it is not as bad as most people assume it is.

 

[Acera]

If you want to keep up this discussion, keep posting. I will check back in the morning, and post follow ons as needed.


Good Night All,

 

[PT1911]

Hey PT remember when you posted this?


Quote:
does this single shot of yours have any sort of a recoil absorbing system on it or are you taking the full brunt of the round in the shoulder... handi's have no recoil absorbing capabilities beyond the butt bad.. if you want to try it... go for it, but dont insult everyone who legitimately realizes that a bullet twice the size of a 300 win mag (likely much more) would kick a little harder than a 12 ga in a gun that obsorbs ZERO recoil.

That was the garbage out of your keyboard I was referring to. I know it's late and you ADD meds. may be wearing off, but try to keep up.

certainly do remember that... quite vividly in fact... not seeing how that has disproven anything I said.

I was acknowledging the LIKELYHOOD that your rifle is built for comfort in shooting. Any gun in ANY caliber can be shot comfortably with the right modifications and additions...


Do you know what a handi-rifle is, or are they beneath you in some way?... we are talking about a $250.00 single shot rifle!!!!

 

[spiroxlii]

Keep it High Road, folks. We're talking in circles, since we're all saying the same thing just a little bit differently.

Facts we agree on:

1. .50BMG rifles designed to be fired from the shoulder do exist.

2. Some of the .50BMG rifles in production are single-shot models.

3. Recoil from a .50BMG cartridge is heavy, but most .50BMG rifles in production use a muzzle brake, a specialized recoil pad, and their own considerable mass to make firing the rifle manageable.

4. H&R Handi-Rifles currently in production probably don't have the strength to withstand .50BMG fire.

5. H&R Handi-Rifles currently in production don't have the muzzle devices, recoil pads, or enough mass to tame .50BMG recoil.

6. H&R COULD make a single-shot break action rifle that had the strength, mass, and recoil compensation devices to make .50BMG fire possible without harming the rifle or the shooter.

7. If H&R produced such a rifle, it would be safe to fire and reasonably manageable. Their lawyers would see to that.

8. If H&R produced such a rifle, it's size and weight would probably make it a "Handi-Rifle" in name only, since it probably wouldn't be very "handy." H&R's single shot rifles and shotguns are nice little "walking around" guns to carry in the field. I carry my little H&R .410 Tamer around with me. While an H&R single-shot .50BMG would certainly be portable and light enough to fire from the shoulder in a standing position, I don't know if it would be much FUN to carry around in the woods. Then again, I imagine most of us would take such a rifle to the range, since .50BMG is a bit strong for a "walking around" rifle anyway.

 

[PT1911]

Why would they make that? They would not! Give the manufacturer some credit for knowing how to make a rifle.

DUDE.. read the OP... this THEORETICAL rifle is the entire idea behind this thread!!!

and that video (my "favorite" as you put it) shows a rifle shooting a SMALLER ROUND with devastating results...

 

[ds92]

It would go great with my 454 big block weed whacker!

 

[oklahoma caveman]

DUDE.. read the OP... this THEORETICAL rifle is the entire idea behind this thread!!!

and that video (my "favorite" as you put it) shows a rifle shooting a SMALLER ROUND with devastating results

hate to jump in the middle of such animosity, but if youl notice at the very end there is a guy who handles it well. he "rolled with the punch" and was completely able to handle the "devastating" power of athe mighty .577 t-rex. he is also the only 1 that appears to have had much if any gun savvy beforehand

 

[PT1911]

hate to jump in the middle of such animosity, but if youl notice at the very end there is a guy who handles it well. he "rolled with the punch" and was completely able to handle the "devastating" power of athe mighty .577 t-rex. he is also the only 1 that appears to have had much if any gun savvy beforehand

very true.. and I did notice that... but I would still classify it as slightly more than the recoil of even a nasty 12 ga

but you are quite right, I was simply trying to make some correlation to what a 50 bmg handi-rifle would resemble and that is the closest thing i could find. Though I personally think it would be worse seeing as it would not include the bolt assembly and reciever and is a more powerful round...

In the end... I have no desire to shoot either of them... a .577 or a 50 BMG in anything but a heavy rifle (25 lbs would do nicely)equipped with a recoil absorbing butt bad and one hell of a muzzle break

 

[Kind of Blued]

It would either be unsafe, or no longer "handi".

 

[rondog]

All I know is, I fired three rounds from an AR-50 once and it was pure bliss! I wanna do it again! The owner really had it set up and tuned well though. I hadn't fired any kind of big rifle for probably 30 years, maybe more, and hit the 18"x18" steel plate at 600 yards all three times. Man, that thing was sweet.

 

[oklahoma caveman]

very true.. and I did notice that... but I would still classify it as slightly more than the recoil of even a nasty 12 ga

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i would agree that is more than a 12 guage, but i have never thought a 12 tobe very bad in nthe recoil department. i was shooting a 12 at age 10 and handling it fine, but people do have differences in recoil tolerance. for instance, my father is 6'5" and around 300. i am 6'3" 200#. he loaded some 45-70 that bruised his shoulder, that i was able to shoot comfortably. am i tougher than he is? no. am i able to roll with a punch more effectively? yes.

but man would that .577 would be fun to shoot. gotta love a good hard kickin gun once in a while

 

[starkadder]

Well I see that I started s*** storm with my posting, that was not my intention. As usual not everyone read the entire post and I guess that I should have been a little more clear. I'm sure that the current Handi Rifle platform is probably too small for this endevor, but it is likely that such a rifle could be made.

As I said in the origional post "if it had one of the ultra efficient muzzle brakes" which I understand can reduce recoil up to 50%, and of course it would have to have a recoil pad(duhhh).

As far as recoil goes, I have fired one of the AR-15/50BMG uppers on a friends rifle with no recoil absorbing system and nothing more than a slip on shotgun pad on the stock and it was tollerable. It actually kicked less than my Grandfathers Mossberg bolt action 10 gauge with 3.5" 00 buck shot.

As I see it the added weight of a .50 BMG barrel (18-25 lbs) and an action that would probably be 10-15% larger than a standard H&R frame (5-8 lbs), and a large muzzel brake (2-5 lbs), and a steel tubing stock (2-5 lbs) would put it the weight range of most .50 BMG rifles on the market today.

The reason I posted this question was to; A, see what kind of off the wall replies it would get and; B, see if I could spark some intrest in the concept. Lots of shooters such as myself would love to have a .50 caliber rifle but the $3K-$7K price tags are way out of the realm of possibility, but Why couldn't a company such as H&R who has always built inexpensive, quality firearms produce such a rifle for under $2000.00 Hmmmm.

Sorry if I caused any bad blood, not my intention.


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