What are mosins going for nowadays?

[Panzerschwein]

The only stocks that were cut down to carbine length were for the M91/30s that were made into the M91/59 carbines.
It's easy to spot a M91/59 carbine. They have the longer rear sight as seen on the pic of the rifle Smithman 10 posted.
The stock on your rifle is most likely the original that was reworked or a replacement.



Counterbore Mosins were not done at random or just to correct the crown. When rifles were sent for refurbishment, they were done in large batches. The rifles were disassemble and separate it into parts. The barrels were inspected. Those that just needed to be recrowned were recrowned. A lot of rifles had bores that had damage to the first inch or two from improper cleaning. These are the rifles that were counterbored. It was much easier to counterbore a barrel then to cut it shorter and reinstall a front sight. Plus it kept the rifle at it's proper length.
I have Mosins that are counterbored that have bright shiny bores and shoot great..

Well we've got two different stories. I'll be the first to admit that I remember reading about this a long time ago, but cannot prove my side of the story and fully admit that it might wrong.

But can you prove yours?

 

[grampajack]

I'm not sure what their system was, but the purpose of counterboring in general is to stretch a barrel that's been shot out and give it new legs. How long or well it stretches the usable life is up for debate. When a barrel wears though, the areas most heavily worn are the throat and the last inch of barrel. When a barrel starts to open up you can give it new life by chopping the last inch or counterboring. What I've always heard is that they gauged the muzzles and any that didn't pass the bullet test got counterbored.

I'm really skeptical that improper cleaning was a serious problem leading to very many rifles being counterbored. I mean seriously, what were they cleaning them with? I could see crown damage being somewhat common, but it would be obvious which ones those were, as the damage would still be there on the crown. If the crown isn't damaged and it's counterbored then I think it's a safe bet that it was simply shot out.

 

[smithman 10]

Does it have the KGB markings? I don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that only the KGB used the 91/59s.

I don't know what the KGB markings are, can you fill me in? And I edited my first post where I called it a 91/56 rather than a 91/59, which it is marked as. Getting sloppy in my old age!

 

[grampajack]

I don't know what the KGB markings are, can you fill me in? And I edited my first post where I called it a 91/56 rather than a 91/59, which it is marked as. Getting sloppy in my old age!

I knew what you meant.

Idk, someone told me those were all cut down for the KGB. I can't remember what the marking was supposed to be though.

ETA: All I know is I want one!

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Now a shot out barrel would be a shot out barrel. Countboring the barrel wouldn't help.
Steel cleaning rods were used. Mosin barrels were cleaned from the muzzle. There were muzzle protectors but they were not always used. Pull cords were also used for cleaning. These were supposed to be inserted from the chamber and pulled from the muzzle. The trouble is that if not pulled straight the cord rubs the inside of the muzzle.
Most people have 3 or 4 Mosins to compare, I happened to have just over 50 of them. I have refurbished ones that are not counterbored, but have clean recut crowns in the white. I have counterbored rifles that have bright shiny bores. I have have rifles that are counterbored with varying depths.
I also have a counterbored rifle that shoots better the ones that are not counterbored.

 

[Davek1977]

I would love to see it as well...usually when pushed you get no answer back from these people, or a stock pic of something in a museum.

I have tried it several times....and unless I see it leaning against a TV, or something that can prove it is really in SOMEONES house I take it with a grain of salt.

I would doubt we will ever see this rifle.

Seems a little overly hostile. while I always view things with skepticism myself, calling out a stranger for no reason at all seems less than high road to me. What was to be gained by putting your opinion of whether the rifle existed or not out there? Who are you to basically imply a total stranger is a liar, just because you have a hunch? Thats just assumptive and rude.

 

[waffentomas]

When are we going to stop calling the dang receivers "hex" when they ain't?? Three milled shelves on top and rounded underneath.

 

[MedWheeler]

^^ Okay. How abut we call 'em "hex-tops"..?

 

[TexasPatriot.308]

what are they going for? too damn much for a surplus rifle....I would like one, but don't need one at current prices.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

When are we going to stop calling the dang receivers "hex" when they ain't?? Three milled shelves on top and rounded underneath.

Because "Three milled shelves on top and rounded underneath" takes to long to say or type.
They are hex top receivers, but we just say Hex receiver the same as we just say Mosin instead of Mosin Nagant.

 

[Clark]

The guy I hunt with was paying $7 per mosin in the 60s. I was getting Mosins for $60 out the door at BIG5 in 2002. I have converted them to 45-70, 223, 7mmRemMag, 30-30, and 300 WinMag.

Here is one with a Krieger barrel in 300Win Mag

 

[midland man]

The guy I hunt with was paying $7 per mosin in the 60s. I was getting Mosins for $60 out the door at BIG5 in 2002. I have converted them to 45-70, 223, 7mmRemMag, 30-30, and 300 WinMag.View attachment 237282

Here is one with a Krieger barrel in 300Win Mag

wow that's cool a 45-70 now that's awesome!

 

[grampajack]

wow that's cool a 45-70 now that's awesome!

Hey, a fellow okie!

 

[Clark]

45/70 Mosin was in 2003.... single shot.

The 223 is a single shot.

But I got the 7mmRemMag and 300WinMag to be repeaters by making an extractor over ride button to extract unfired ammo. And I milled a lot out of the magazine.

Here is the other guy's $7 Mosin shooting an antelope

 

[midland man]

Hey, a fellow okie!

yep born and raised an okie!

 

[midland man]

View attachment 258259

45/70 Mosin was in 2003.... single shot.

The 223 is a single shot.

But I got the 7mmRemMag and 300WinMag to be repeaters by making an extractor over ride button to extract unfired ammo. And I milled a lot out of the magazine.

Here is the other guy's $7 Mosin shooting an antelope

nice I would love for my 91/30 to have a new barrel on it as it's worn now! plus I do like this 7.62x54r cartridge as it has a lot of power and would like mine to be shortned up a bit to make it easier to carry! plus have the bolt handle bent down and put a scope on it!

 

[midland man]

View attachment 258259

45/70 Mosin was in 2003.... single shot.

The 223 is a single shot.

But I got the 7mmRemMag and 300WinMag to be repeaters by making an extractor over ride button to extract unfired ammo. And I milled a lot out of the magazine.

Here is the other guy's $7 Mosin shooting an antelope

I love that idea of a singleshot 45-70 that's a cool round!! I wished I had another 91/30 to be chambered in that round!!

 

[Atla]

I bet at one point in time, people looked at all the Springfield 03's, M1 Carbines, and M1 Garands coming in at dirt cheap prices and thought - "There are so many of these, they'll never be a collectors item."

HA!

 

[grampajack]

I bet at one point in time, people looked at all the Springfield 03's, M1 Carbines, and M1 Garands coming in at dirt cheap prices and thought - "There are so many of these, they'll never be a collectors item."

HA!

I think my grandfather told me once he had the option to buy his Garand for $8 after the war ended. He said he thought it was too much money at the time but always regretted not doing it. Even then though, I don't think $8 was pocket change for a twenty something buck sergeant.