What are selling points that turn you off to certain guns?

[desert gator]

What are the points that turn you off to certain guns, or are things that you wish where different. I drive myself nuts sometime with these things, for example.
Kahr- I hate their trigger pull, I wish it where shorter and crisper
Glock- I would change the grip angle to be more upright and also not so blocky
M&P- The grip on the compact is to short, the fullsize is to big, they need an in between size.
CZ- I wish that they had a DAO or SAO
HK- Please just give me a regular size slide release

....and so on. I find myself not falling totally in love with my guns because of one or two things with each.

 

[McCall911]

I only have experience with CZ, but I definitely agree with you on the points you made.

I hate having to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber to shoot double action. To me, it violates basic firearm safety ('Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.")
Otherwise, I really, really like CZ's.

 

[Snowdog]

Man, maybe Kahr has gone to pot since mine was made, but my K9's trigger is incredibly nice, although certainly DA in length of pull (albeit butter smooth).

My G19 doesn't have the finger grooves and I didn't feel the ergonomics were there for me, so I installed a Hogue Handall and it made a difference, but the palm-swell made the grip a bit too girthy. It's an incredibly reliable pistol though... if only I had larger mitts. I'll give the 3rd generation Glocks a try in the future to see if there's any difference.

Finish does sometimes make things a deal breaker for me. However, I did by a Bersa UC9 that has a rather strange finish but I'm thrilled with it otherwise. Aesthetics are important to me, but ergonomics carry more weight, IMO.

 

[Blind Bat]

I won't buy a gun with a magazine safety or a left side only manual safety.

BTW, CZ does make SAO models.

 

[gunnutery]

When Glocks first came out, I thought they looked terrible. Once they added the accessory rail and the finger grooves my mind changed.

I love the bullpup concept. However I won't buy one without a forward or bottom eject, as I like the ability to switch shoulders.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

1. I don't buy if I have to hold it awkwardly (For me) to line up the sights
2. I wont buy it if the mag. release spring doesn't drop an empty magazine.

 

[Kind of Blued]

Although I still own one, I REALLY dislike handguns which require you to pull the trigger for disassembly.

And as mentioned, I'd like CZs with either a frame-mounted decocker (like on the 'BD' models) or a BIG, easily manipulated manual safety (like on the SA models). This inbetween do-it-all manual decocking thing is the best solution to NEITHER SA or DA/SA carry.

 

[Quoheleth]

I have small hands and short fingers. The #1 and #2 selling points for me, respectively, are grip size and how far forward the trigger rests. If I can't get grip it solidly or make good trigger-to-finger contact, the most beautiful gun in the world doesn't do me a bit of good.

Q

 

[RobMoore]

1. High bore axis
2. Controls not easily reached
3. Mags don't drop free
4. Too many safeties
5. No aftermarket support (can't find upgrades/modifications), because no pistol is mass produced exactly the way I want it.
6. Poor customer support reputation of manufacturer, because no pistol mass produced is trouble free.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

I also dont like the key safety built in.....wont buy one

 

[sanerkeki]

no safety
kahr/bersa/
no light rail
boxy guns that are not concealed easily
used guns
no upgrades like different sights
large calibers on handguns

 

[Jed Carter]

XDs have no smooth surfaces anywhere, just grooves and graphics, good gun, clean it up (a lot) and I might own one.
CZ make something besides the RAMI in a single stack, now a single stack PCR would be sweet.

 

[android]

Anything that requires pulling the trigger for take down.

Pulling the trigger is for shooting, nothing else.

 

[sheepdog]

...no keyholes...no magazine disconnects...no manual safetys...in semiautos, I'll buy decockers only...no adjustable sights

 

[Bovice]

DAO.

the new "european style" mag release on pistols. (like HK and the Walthers) What's wrong with a button release? IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO USE. YOU JUST SQUEEZE IT. Forget reaching with my thumb and trying to push downward. German designs are supposed to be about efficiency and I see nothing efficient about that.

Single stack magazines. We've come much further since those days.

Night sights not installed from the factory. This should be standard for any pistol.

Polymers-Being an engineer, I know that plastics (yes, it IS plastic) have come a long way from what we traditionally think of as plastics. But the weight of a polymer gun seems to decrease more noticeably as I shoot and empty the magazine. I'm not even sure if that accurately describes what I feel, but whatever it is, I don't like it.

Awkard operating controls-For example, the stock slide release on a Glock. Way too small. Some people say that you shouldn't use the slide release lever to release the slide and should always pull back on the slide... But what if you only have one hand to shoot and need to release the slide? It necessitates a good slide lock lever. Another that comes to mind is the Walther P22's hammer. Is it just me or does the rounded "spur" come up WAY TOO HIGH and start to play tricks on your eyes and how you see the sights? Yes, it is just a plinker and not meant for any serious use, but it's a pretty crappy thing to me.

AR's with A1 carry handle uppers. There's no quick elevation adjustment and you end up having to use a "holdover" at longer range. No point in owning one unless you just WANT to.

AK-47/74 variants. Not accurate enough. I shoot to be accurate. Also, I don't care how indestructible it is. Having an "indestructable" or tough firearm is no reason to mistreat it purposely so that point doesn't work on me. Plus it just looks ugly. I realize the type of firearm isn't a selling point, but I just plain won't get one.

-Small "pocket" autos. People say all the time "the first rule of a gunfight is to have a gun". Having a gun means absolutely NOTHING if it's so small you can't make hits past 7 yards. You don't always get the option of shooting point blank. The smallest automatic I'd consider is a PPK. They feel good in hand, 6 round magazine in .380, and are so thin you could slip it between your buttcheeks and carry it that way. (Though I don't recommend that)

 

[ar10]

reliability, fit, then price.
I stay away from higher priced guns. They're nice, pretty, and functional but for an every day carry carry gun I'll take the XD's. They may be ugly in some peoples view but I don't buy any gun for its looks.

 

[The Bushmaster]

The word "tactical"...

 

[Pappy109]

Irritating and unknowledgeable salespersons that can't answer your questions correctly. Then again, I never did understand that braille on the drive up tellers either!...

 

[ar10]

Irritating and unknowledgeable salespersons that can't answer your questions correctly. Then again, I never did understand that braille on the drive up tellers either!..

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Those are the best kind to deal with. Let them talk for 15~20 minutes then tell them you can get the same gun at another local gun store for 100.00 less. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

 

[huntsman]

what are selling points that turn you off to certain guns?

plastic

 

[SiRed91]

Anything other than 1911's or BHP's turns me half way off......

I love CZ, they are the exception to my rule.

 

[psyopspec]

But what if you only have one hand to shoot and need to release the slide?

Catch & release the rear site on your belt, boot heel, belt buckle, counter top, joist, wall corner, table...

 

[Joe Demko]

Evangelists for a particular brand or model. Every gun ever made had its plusses and minuses. I'm getting old and grumpy enough that fanbois irritate me into not wanting to give their particular baby a look.

 

[gbelleh]

I won't buy any more guns with built-in locks, which unfortunately rules out many new guns.
Magazine safeties are also a big turn off.
I can't stand LEM, DAK, etc. triggers.
Not necessarily a deal breaker, but I dislike rails, especially big, ugly ones.

 

[w_houle]

Catch & release the rear site on your belt, boot heel, belt buckle, counter top, joist, wall corner, table...

No, no, no, no, no, and no! I'll accept that on guns that don't even allow the option (OEM CZ-52s and Hi Points for example), but on the guns that allow me to close the slide with my thumb should be able to close with the thumb. Period.