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.40 S&W is the same pressure as standard 9x19mm and significantly lower pressure than +P or +P+ 9x19mm. Just something to note.
What are the Most Durable Pistols In Production Today?
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Fishman777
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Online torture tests are BS...
Online "torture" tests sell guns. In my opinion, these "tests" probably sell more guns than any other kind of marketing activity that gun manufacturers invest in.
I really don't believe any of of the torture tests that I've read about, nor do I believe most of the claims that I've heard where people said that they have shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through a single firearm. People lie.
I could assume a new online identity, then take a bunch of pictures of myself abusing a gun and post them on the web with descriptions of what I "did" to the gun and how it performed flawlessly.
I could also take video of myself abusing a firearm to further support my claims. I could cherry pick abuse "takes" until my favorite gun functioned after heaping abuse on it and post the "good" takes. I could then take more videos of other brands of pistols and wait until they fail and then post the "bad" takes to malign other makes and models of pistols.
I could also say that I changed a few parts here and there and cleaned it a few times along the way.
You know what would happen? Most people would read about it and not doubt anything that I said. Why? Because they want to believe in torture tests, especially if the featured gun was a brand that they like or something that they were considering to buy. Anyone could call into question the validity of the torture test, but the test couldn't really be proved or disproved without replicating the torture test multiple times in an unbiased format. Anyone could call into question the replicated torture tests, so it would be a waste of time to even bother going through all of the trouble.
All autoloaders malfunction, occasionally. Even if someone does truthfully complete a real torture test, it doesn't mean that you could replicate it with another gun of the same make and model. Most modern autloaders are durable and reliable. Rent and shoot as many different guns as possible and draw your own conculsions. I've induced malfunctions in rental guns before. At least one of these brands of guns completed a 20,000+ round torture without a malfunction. I got a malfunction literally in the first magazine when I rented it. I intentionally limp wristed the gun. I got it to jam. So much for the torture test.
If you want a durable gun, either get a polymer framed or a steel framed handgun with a good finish, from a good manufacturer. Also get a gun that fully supports the ammo casing, or get an after market barrel that does this. You'll have a gun that will last a lifetime, as long as you maintain it.
Online "torture" tests sell guns. In my opinion, these "tests" probably sell more guns than any other kind of marketing activity that gun manufacturers invest in.
I really don't believe any of of the torture tests that I've read about, nor do I believe most of the claims that I've heard where people said that they have shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through a single firearm. People lie.
I could assume a new online identity, then take a bunch of pictures of myself abusing a gun and post them on the web with descriptions of what I "did" to the gun and how it performed flawlessly.
I could also take video of myself abusing a firearm to further support my claims. I could cherry pick abuse "takes" until my favorite gun functioned after heaping abuse on it and post the "good" takes. I could then take more videos of other brands of pistols and wait until they fail and then post the "bad" takes to malign other makes and models of pistols.
I could also say that I changed a few parts here and there and cleaned it a few times along the way.
You know what would happen? Most people would read about it and not doubt anything that I said. Why? Because they want to believe in torture tests, especially if the featured gun was a brand that they like or something that they were considering to buy. Anyone could call into question the validity of the torture test, but the test couldn't really be proved or disproved without replicating the torture test multiple times in an unbiased format. Anyone could call into question the replicated torture tests, so it would be a waste of time to even bother going through all of the trouble.
All autoloaders malfunction, occasionally. Even if someone does truthfully complete a real torture test, it doesn't mean that you could replicate it with another gun of the same make and model. Most modern autloaders are durable and reliable. Rent and shoot as many different guns as possible and draw your own conculsions. I've induced malfunctions in rental guns before. At least one of these brands of guns completed a 20,000+ round torture without a malfunction. I got a malfunction literally in the first magazine when I rented it. I intentionally limp wristed the gun. I got it to jam. So much for the torture test.
If you want a durable gun, either get a polymer framed or a steel framed handgun with a good finish, from a good manufacturer. Also get a gun that fully supports the ammo casing, or get an after market barrel that does this. You'll have a gun that will last a lifetime, as long as you maintain it.
JohnBT
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The original question was about high round counts, not torture tests.
"IE the ones that can take the most shooting before parts failure or wearing to the point of functional reliability problems?"
I have never worried about it. I am firmly in the camp with people who believe that if you can afford the ammo to wear out a gun, you can afford a new gun or two when the time comes.
John
"IE the ones that can take the most shooting before parts failure or wearing to the point of functional reliability problems?"
I have never worried about it. I am firmly in the camp with people who believe that if you can afford the ammo to wear out a gun, you can afford a new gun or two when the time comes.
John
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meytind said:
If I could afford 25,000 rounds at today's prices, then I'd buy a new gun at that point.
Welding Rod
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Thanks, exactly. I am not asking about torturing a gun, shoveling dirt into it, expecting it operate when not cleaned or maintained in a normal manner, etc. Just mechanical durablity in regards to normal functioning.
It seems when I read opinions about different main stream guns I read alot of "MIM this", "Cast that", "Peening here", "Cracking there", "Soft engagement surfaces", etc.
Which seems at odds with what I am hearing here, that they all have pretty long service lifes.
Joe Demko
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They do. Most of the criticism you hear is based on well-publicized anecdotes about a few guns that had problems. The vast echo chamber of the internet did the rest. So, FTR:
1. All SIG's do not rust immediately upon opening the box.
2. All Glocks do not explode.
3. All HK's do not break firing pins.
4. MIM parts are not actually made from compressed cow dung.
5. S&W revolvers do not sense that you are in the middle of a live-or-die gunfight and lock themselves.
6. Beretta frames do not crumble like Shredded Wheat biscuits.
Above all, remember that 2nd and 3rd and 4th hand complaints about a particular model should be disregarded. Unless a complaint begins with "The ______that I owned exhibited this problem" I don't even read it.
1. All SIG's do not rust immediately upon opening the box.
2. All Glocks do not explode.
3. All HK's do not break firing pins.
4. MIM parts are not actually made from compressed cow dung.
5. S&W revolvers do not sense that you are in the middle of a live-or-die gunfight and lock themselves.
6. Beretta frames do not crumble like Shredded Wheat biscuits.
Above all, remember that 2nd and 3rd and 4th hand complaints about a particular model should be disregarded. Unless a complaint begins with "The ______that I owned exhibited this problem" I don't even read it.
klash545
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All the top mfgrs are among the most durable,thats why they're top mfgrs
Sig P210 afficionados believe it to last in excess of 250,000 rounds:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=247601&page=3
I had a chance to file on one. The surface hardness on the slide dulled my files. There may be something to that claim.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=247601&page=3
I had a chance to file on one. The surface hardness on the slide dulled my files. There may be something to that claim.
Aquila
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HKs, Glocks and maybe a properly done 1911.
Good answers here. I'll add another element . . . the shooter.
When we all buy our first handgun, we plan it like it will be the only one and that it will be shot a lot.
1. Most specimens sold are never shot much.
2. Softer recoiling calibers in the same frame size wear the gun less . . . AND the shooter
3. Virtually all the owners who get into the sport and start putting lots of rounds through the gun (for competition practice) soon buy a decent reloading press and start making their own ammo . . . it is the only way to afford to shoot hundreds and/or thousands of rounds per week.
Frankly, it really doesn't matter which of the major makes you buy. Either you won't shoot it much . . . and thus ultimate durability is a moot point, or you'll start "rolling your own" and shoot a lot . . . and your experience and exposure to various guns at the range and at meets will let you decide what your NEXT one will be!
So, don't sweat it yet. Guns are the really CHEAP part of the sport for someone who plans to wear guns out . . . it is the ammunition that costs a lot!
Hope this makes sense . . .
When we all buy our first handgun, we plan it like it will be the only one and that it will be shot a lot.
1. Most specimens sold are never shot much.
2. Softer recoiling calibers in the same frame size wear the gun less . . . AND the shooter
3. Virtually all the owners who get into the sport and start putting lots of rounds through the gun (for competition practice) soon buy a decent reloading press and start making their own ammo . . . it is the only way to afford to shoot hundreds and/or thousands of rounds per week.
Frankly, it really doesn't matter which of the major makes you buy. Either you won't shoot it much . . . and thus ultimate durability is a moot point, or you'll start "rolling your own" and shoot a lot . . . and your experience and exposure to various guns at the range and at meets will let you decide what your NEXT one will be!
So, don't sweat it yet. Guns are the really CHEAP part of the sport for someone who plans to wear guns out . . . it is the ammunition that costs a lot!
Hope this makes sense . . .
I rarely put any credence in online torture tests either. Most, read almost NONE, of them are done scientifically and more importantly HEAD TO HEAD. Its easy to take one weapon, do bunch of silly stuff to it, then claim that no other weapon can do the same. The reality is that most quality made weapons can probably do the same thing. The most famous culprit is Glock but time has proven that it is indeed a very tough and durable weapon. So are the CZs, HK, Sigs, M&Ps, XDs, the 1911, and arguably Berettas. I dont' think you would do wrong with any of them or be able to tell one whit's difference between them as an owner. Unless you shoot GOBS of ammo you aren't going to wear any of them out.
Which is BEST? Everyone will tell you their favorite one is. Just pick your own and shoot the heck out of it. Take care of it and it will serve you for a lifetime.
I guess what I'm saying is........
I'm just longer winded.
Which is BEST? Everyone will tell you their favorite one is. Just pick your own and shoot the heck out of it. Take care of it and it will serve you for a lifetime.
I guess what I'm saying is........
I'm just longer winded.
Yes it's a "torture test" but also a whole lot of rounds and a good read. As others have stated, Glock, Sa XD, HK, Sig, SW, they all will hold up.
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php
http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.php
doc2rn
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The most indestructible gun I can think of is a Ruger GP 100, followed closely by Glocks that dont go Kaboom ( no fotay for me; as I am the only trained opperator who knows how to weild this gun in the room) sorry couldnt resist, and to round out my list with something solid a BHP in 9mm.
Heck
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Does anyone not make a good product now? I think right now is the good ol'days for the gun enthusiast. I am not brand loyal, I am all about bang for the buck (pun intended) Do I think that my kel-tec PF9 will last 5,000 rounds, no. Do I feel comfortable carrying it, absolutely. For a metal frame gun my choice is the CZ 75BD. I have countless thousands of rounds through the gun with no issues and it seems to get better and better. If you have this gun you know what I am talking about. My choice in polymer frames is the Springfield XD. This is personal preference in grip angle and trigger to the glock in addition to feeling the all metal trigger group is a benefit. At the end of the day I dont think you can really buy a BAD gun. There are just different levels of Good.
searcher451
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A whole bunch of the answer depends, of course, on the overall care that the owner provides the gun in question -- regardless of the gun's manufacturer. As my grandfather used to say, "Take care of the pistol and it will take care of you." What's likely to be around an in running order a hundred years from now? I'd bet on the quality of the Ruger and Browning lines more than I would some of the plastic offerings that have been mentioned, but that's just me.
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