Most accurate 'stock' pistol?
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Penforhire
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Are you intentionally ignoring high end, not custom, .22's ?
Ultima-Ratio
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Accurate?
The S&W 9mm model 952 is the most accurate factory gun currently produced.
The S&W 9mm model 952 is the most accurate factory gun currently produced.
nero45acp
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SIG 210 or S&W 952.
Though dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a CZ!
nero
Though dollar for dollar it's hard to beat a CZ!
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Badger Arms
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My stock Ruger MK-II shooting target loads will outshoot anything centerfire on the range most days.
BryanP
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If you want to keep it in the realm of us mere mortals and discount the SIG 210 then I'd suggest the SIG P220.
critter
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mete got it!
HK USP Elite or Expert in 9mm or .45acp.
I have a hard time calling a SIG P210 or S&W 952 an 'out of the box' pistol, athough they are probably two of the best.
The 952 is from the custom shop, and the SIG is too damn expensive to fit this catagory.
I have a hard time calling a SIG P210 or S&W 952 an 'out of the box' pistol, athough they are probably two of the best.
The 952 is from the custom shop, and the SIG is too damn expensive to fit this catagory.
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The objectively correct answer to this question is the SIG P210. See the 50 meter test targets for details.
Ken Rainey
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A lot of variables apply to that question - the tolerances of the weapons fit, the ammo, the shooters ability, etc......For me, It's a Kimber full size .45 (first series) - put 3 rds of a handload in 3/4 inch at 25 yds and 3 rds in 1 1/4 inches at 50 yds free handed. If you consider revolvers, I think that a S&W .38 special revolver with a 4 inch barrel is hard to beat. I have a Glock 26 that amazes me as to how accurate it is - even at 100 yds.
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Ala Dan
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I have edited this post to include any and all SIG-SAUER
Classic P- series self-loader's. Yes, the P210 sits atop
the heap; followed closely by its DA cousin, the P220.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Classic P- series self-loader's. Yes, the P210 sits atop
the heap; followed closely by its DA cousin, the P220.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Sean Smith
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How big is your 10 round group? 3 rounds can just be luck.
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Sean Smith,
Yep, I'm sure it was luck - Good Luck, for me. It's the best group I've ever fired and it was witnessed. Just let'em know what MY most accurate gun was 'out of the box'. I fired the first 3 out of the mag at 25 and it went so well, I had to try it at 50yds and that went well too - the universe was well aligned - well,ok, the wife was happy, the wind wasn't blowin' and I wasn't full of coffee!
Ken
Yep, I'm sure it was luck - Good Luck, for me. It's the best group I've ever fired and it was witnessed. Just let'em know what MY most accurate gun was 'out of the box'. I fired the first 3 out of the mag at 25 and it went so well, I had to try it at 50yds and that went well too - the universe was well aligned - well,ok, the wife was happy, the wind wasn't blowin' and I wasn't full of coffee!
Ken
LeonCarr
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Bone stock Glock 34
10 rounds into one inch at 25 yards.
10 rounds into six inches at 100 yards.
I couldn't believe it either, but I would rather be lucky than good anyday of the week
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Just my .02,
LeonCarr
10 rounds into one inch at 25 yards.
10 rounds into six inches at 100 yards.
I couldn't believe it either, but I would rather be lucky than good anyday of the week
.Just my .02,
LeonCarr
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This isn't directed at anybody on this topic, but most people don't really know what "accurate" even means in a handgun. So to ask a question like that on an open forum is likely to get you alot of contradictory answers, because most of the people posting will, on average, have no clue... but want to pretend that they do.
Also, to be blunt - again not directed at anybody on this topic - gun forums in general are full of people lying about how they shot 1.5" @ 50 yard groups offhand with a handgun. The people making such claims are generally too dumb to realize that 1.5" @ 50 yards is at the bleeding edge of what purpose-built bullseye handguns can actually shoot from a machine rest... thus to claim to actually shoot such a group yourself is to claim, in effect, that your technique is approaching theoretical perfection.
Otherwise known as: being full of crap.
Now, anybody can get lucky and rip off a 3 shot string of tiny size. However, that doesn't prove anything about how good the gun is. There is a reason why accuracy guarantees on purpose-built bullseye guns are for group size based on 10 shots at 50 yards... to rule out the dumb-assed luck factor. Put another way, the odds that a stock Kimber is a "real" 1.25" @ 50 yard gun based on that fairly standard critera hovers somewhere around zero.
That's >2" @ 50 yards, at best. Very good for the price, but inferior to a P210.
Also, to be blunt - again not directed at anybody on this topic - gun forums in general are full of people lying about how they shot 1.5" @ 50 yard groups offhand with a handgun. The people making such claims are generally too dumb to realize that 1.5" @ 50 yards is at the bleeding edge of what purpose-built bullseye handguns can actually shoot from a machine rest... thus to claim to actually shoot such a group yourself is to claim, in effect, that your technique is approaching theoretical perfection.
Otherwise known as: being full of crap.
Now, anybody can get lucky and rip off a 3 shot string of tiny size. However, that doesn't prove anything about how good the gun is. There is a reason why accuracy guarantees on purpose-built bullseye guns are for group size based on 10 shots at 50 yards... to rule out the dumb-assed luck factor. Put another way, the odds that a stock Kimber is a "real" 1.25" @ 50 yard gun based on that fairly standard critera hovers somewhere around zero.
That's >2" @ 50 yards, at best. Very good for the price, but inferior to a P210.
LeonCarr
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Hey Sean,
Most people will claim that their handgun will do this or that, until you invite them and their handgun to the range. Usually that weeds out the non-hackers quickly.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Most people will claim that their handgun will do this or that, until you invite them and their handgun to the range. Usually that weeds out the non-hackers quickly
.Just my .02,
LeonCarr
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I'm usually pretty uncomfortable with threads such as this for the reasons so... subtlely detaily by Sean. My other pet peeve is when people say that a particular gun will consistantly shoot 2" groups at 50 yards with any ammo they've tried... Again, unless you're just the luckiest SOB in the world, it's not very likely that you have a sub $1,000 centerfire pistol that will hold to 2" at 50 yards with a large variety of ammo.
But... since we're just having fun, I would agree that if Les Baers and Rock Rivers are ruled out, so should the 210 and the 952... That would pretty much leave out P7s though I'd be more likely to include P7s than 210s or 952s. How about this, what centerfire pistol under $1,000 new with minimal (at the max) hand fitting is the most accurate?
For consistancy, I'd still be tempted to say a CZ... Just been pretty consistant for me once the right ammo is found. I'm not going to embarass myself with claims of '1" groups at 100 yards' but several folks have cited good 5 shot groups at 25 and 50 yards. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find at least one load that would hold to 1.25" at 25 yards through a 9mm CZ in an Ransom Rest.
Or we could just make clipse happy and say, 'The CZ P-01 is absolutely the most accurate stock pistol on the planet!'
My other pet peeve is when people say that a particular gun will consistantly shoot 2" groups at 50 yards with any ammo they've tried... Again, unless you're just the luckiest SOB in the world, it's not very likely that you have a sub $1,000 centerfire pistol that will hold to 2" at 50 yards with a large variety of ammo.But... since we're just having fun, I would agree that if Les Baers and Rock Rivers are ruled out, so should the 210 and the 952... That would pretty much leave out P7s though I'd be more likely to include P7s than 210s or 952s. How about this, what centerfire pistol under $1,000 new with minimal (at the max) hand fitting is the most accurate?
For consistancy, I'd still be tempted to say a CZ... Just been pretty consistant for me once the right ammo is found. I'm not going to embarass myself with claims of '1" groups at 100 yards' but several folks have cited good 5 shot groups at 25 and 50 yards. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find at least one load that would hold to 1.25" at 25 yards through a 9mm CZ in an Ransom Rest.
Or we could just make clipse happy and say, 'The CZ P-01 is absolutely the most accurate stock pistol on the planet!'
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