Perhaps they've been reading fiction:
http://www.jamesleeburke.com/bibliography/43.php
Vikki disabled an attacker with wasp spray, then shot him twice with his own S&W. But stuff doesn't happen in real life as it does in books.
What are you using for home defence? Rifle, Pistol or shotgun?
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Perhaps they've been reading fiction:
http://www.jamesleeburke.com/bibliography/43.php
Vikki disabled an attacker with wasp spray, then shot him twice with his own S&W. But stuff doesn't happen in real life as it does in books.
Cosmoline
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I either use a levergun or the Mosin-Nagant. Loaded with SP's of course. Whichever one I'm using has the tactical light attached.
Yeah I've heard it all. And he's going to be enough of a ninja to aim for my tactical light and shoot me. If the guy's plan A is to try to wrestle a Mosin-Nagant from me without getting blown in half, all I can say is good luck to him.
Yeah I've heard it all. And he's going to be enough of a ninja to aim for my tactical light and shoot me. If the guy's plan A is to try to wrestle a Mosin-Nagant from me without getting blown in half, all I can say is good luck to him.
Balog
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His plan A involves multiple 7.62 to the chest, hence the extra rifle plates duct taped on...
mcdonl
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I would NEVER buy a gun because of it's looks... but I could see falling in love with one!! Nice pistol NMGunslinger!
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Tactical Adhesive Tape
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XDM in 9mm or 1911 on nightstand, M-4 is close by. 12ga would work as well but keep it in the safe.
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My primary is an XD-40 with 12 rounds of 165 gr gold dot, streamlight TLR-1, so I can get to my gun cabinet, where the 12 gauge lies, 6 rounds of 00 buck.
I don't know what's worse, trying to take a loaded mosin away from someone or thinking a mosin makes a suitable HD weapon.
I've had the whole 'no one can take my long gun away from me' arument before on this board. Not gonna do that again, as nobody leaves the argument with their opinion changed. All I will say about it is that I don't think the 'nobody can take my gun away from me' crowd has ever had someone try to control the muzzle of their long gun while they try to keep it on-target. I say that for the benefit of the few who haven't formed opinions on the matter yet.
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mljdeckard
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I have a New Year's resolution to try to be less inflammatory in here, but you are freakin' nuts. REALLY.
You actually use frangible ammo. You think that a .44 REVOLVER does LESS hearing damage than a shotgun.
Name some of these 'experts' who say a pistol is better. Clint Smith disagrees.
I mean, use what you shoot best, but you are getting your information out of paperback novels. If you can't pie-cut doors and corners with a long gun, you need to learn.
I have a New Year's resolution to try to be less inflammatory in here, but you are freakin' nuts. REALLY.
You actually use frangible ammo. You think that a .44 REVOLVER does LESS hearing damage than a shotgun.
Name some of these 'experts' who say a pistol is better. Clint Smith disagrees.
I mean, use what you shoot best, but you are getting your information out of paperback novels. If you can't pie-cut doors and corners with a long gun, you need to learn.
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1300 defender next to the bed, TLR-2 mounted, stoked with Winchester Premium 9 pellet 00 buck. Loaded 7 shot mag, empty chamber, slide locked, safety off, 6 shot side-saddle loaded. All others guns locked up for the night, CCW selected & packed every morning.
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M1 carbine loaded with 15 remington 110gn SP's...have the bayonet handy for those special situatons...
Generally, I would answer the things that go bump in the night with a Ruger SP101 3" and 125gn 357 JHP.
Generally, I would answer the things that go bump in the night with a Ruger SP101 3" and 125gn 357 JHP.
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Since I have my 5 yr old grandaughter with us, I keep all my guns locked up. Except I carry my Taurus 85 with plus p loaded and in Desantis pocket holster on me at all times in the house. When in bed, its within arms reach.
When she and my daughter move out next month, I will have the 870 12 ga loaded with #4 buck shot very handy and the Glock 22 nearby loaded and ready.
Kind of feel underguned right now.
When she and my daughter move out next month, I will have the 870 12 ga loaded with #4 buck shot very handy and the Glock 22 nearby loaded and ready.
Kind of feel underguned right now.
Balog
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Darn right, that's why the Marine Corps taught me to put that silly M-16 away when clearing houses. Darn jihadis will snatch it up before you know it! Oh wait....
mljdeckard
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"They say you can’t use a rifle or shotgun indoors because a bad guy will grab the barrel. Yeah? Well, he better hang on, ‘cause I’m gonna light him up and it’ll definitely be an "E" ticket ride."
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mljdeckard, do macho quotes really prove or disprove anything? No disrespect to Clint Smith or his opinion, I just don't think that kind of attitude allows or objective consideration of this scenario.
Balog, first off, that's an entirely differnt situation than we're discussing, and secondly, did they even try?
Balog, first off, that's an entirely differnt situation than we're discussing, and secondly, did they even try?
Cosmoline
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Well take your pick. The Mosin is the meanest arm I've got that's suitable. The alternative is the .450 Marlin loaded with bear busters, which will certainly work but isn't exactly the right tool for a torso. A 150 grain HP from a full power rifle cartridge is going to do a heck of a number on someone at close range. More to the point, it will stop any attack.
As to having the thing grabbed away, if someone is actually breaking in I have no intention of trying to clear my place, small though it may be. I will stay put with the rifle aimed at the entrance to the room and hole up till the cops come. Furthermore, why would someone be trying to run up and grab a rifle barrel? If they have a firearm they'd be using it prior to that point, and if they don't running up to a rifle is extremely stupid. The Mosin is a weapon even if it isn't fired.
In contrast, though I've put many many thousands of .357 magnums and .38 Specials downrange out of snub nose revolvers, I am not confident in my ability to hit much at three AM with one. Esp. if my heart is pumping. The same holds true for other handguns. The rifle, carbine or shotgun offers a far more stable platform and is more resistant to the effects of stress. I know this because I've shot and tried to shoot a lot of game with both long and short guns. With the pistols they point and laugh at my ineptitude. With the long gun they die. So I'll take the long gun.
As to why a Mosin-Nagant, I'll admit as how it it's an odd choice, but it happens to be the platform I've shot the most stuff with and I've gone through many spam cans of ammo with various ones. I know the firearm better than any other because of this. I'll use it even if it looks goofy with a tactical light taped to the side of the barrel.
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Balog
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First, how is it different? Actively house clearing is actively house clearing. If you're sitting in your bedroom pointing the muzzle at the door I doubt it'll be snatched away either.
Second, no they sure didn't. Apparently they've never been to a gun forum to hear how easy it is.
I fail to see how "don't use a long gun in the house, the bad guy will take it away from you!" is any different than "don't carry a pistol, the bad guy will just take it away from you!"
Of course it's possible that it could happen. Anything is possible. But it vexes me when some bit of internet speculation becomes gospel through frequent repetition.
I thought we were discussing home defense, not active house clearing as a Marine.
I don't recall saying don't use a long gun in the house.
I do recall saying:
I also said
I don't recall saying don't use a long gun in the house.
I do recall saying:
This statement was not intended as advice to military or LE professionals.
I also said
Which, to put in context, was an answer to the OP's original question. I have all three; rifle, pistol, and shotgun available for home defense. Some are more appropriate than others for certain situations.
Balog
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House clearing is house clearing. I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm merely pointing out that IF you are in a home defense situation AND you decide for whatever reason to clear the house, the knowledge gleaned from the recent wars is directly applicable to your situation. I wouldn't have disagreed with you, if you'd merely stuck to "All three have a time and a place." But "long guns are sooooo easy for bad guys to take away from you" is an internet myth that deserves just as much scorn as the infamous "racking the pump to scare the bad guy off."
If you (using the "universal" you here, not addressing anyone in particular) cannot safely clear a house without getting a long gun snatched away from you, I'd suggest staying in the bedroom as you obviously aren't up to the job. And if you need to clear a house (kids on another floor being the most commonly given example) then you need to train enough to be able to do so. It's really not that hard; contrary to internet ninja folk lore, taking a long gun away from someone who is keyed up and clearing a house is not a safe or easy proposition.
Cosmoline
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To my knowledge, the only combat situation where the long guns were routinely left behind in favor of short guns was tunnel clearing in Vietnam, due to the extremely tight quarters involved. Maybe there are some other circumstances, such as officers shooting running recruits, but they're pretty limited.
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