What Could You Get With A Thousand Dollars Ammo Wise

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Well I'm probably one of the few people making any money in this stock market, granted I'm in law school so my time to day trade is quite ample, I'm also a manic obsessive anal-rentitive researcher and at time just plain lucky. I pulled out of the market completely before the last jobs report as I normally do. I'm a part and parcel stock player as I call it, "Burn and Turn" some call it. So I had an incredible play with Wachovia, getting in the morning just after it got rescued by Citibank, saw money watch or some other progam that was on and took some loose capital I'd been drooling over (needed an investment fix bad since I hadn't bought any real amounts of stock in over a month about) and got in at 1.47 with a little over 2000 shares and Monday morning sold a 1000 of them just over 6.00.

So now I've been thinking about the economy and I'm a big Glenn Beck fan for about a year now, hey he had the Ted Nugent on, and was thinking over something he and his investment authority pundits were talking about. Such as the only things that might be worth any value(money is worhtless so it'll turn into a barter system) are cigarrettes, booze, and gold. Of course as I was watching this I exclaimed out of reflex "and bullets".

And that got me to thinking. I'm up substantially for the year. I haven't done any excessive spending, all my credit cards are paid off and I have money in the bank to make sure they are paid off for the next ten months (yeah I'm a saving money excessive obsessive), my truck just got an oil change and serpentie belt change and overall checkup telling me it should last another couple of years if I keep taking good care of it. My scholarship got upped, I'm way under budget on rent, food, health insurance, and such. Etc. etc. etc. I'll be fixing up the boathouse for my landlord some more which will buy me a couple of months rent free.

So maybe it wouldn't be the most out of the world thing to take a flat thousand dollars I've been sitting on for over a couple of months that I've been pondering what to do with. I've saved a lot of money driving less, deal shopping for food, and cutting my budgets straight across the board by 20%. So I figure after talking to my grandfather who survived the depression about bullets, beans, and booze (his dad was a bootlegger and rum runner), him talking about how he remembered bullets getting real expensive so as to make it hard for those who hunted to survive (for those whom hunting provided about seventy percent of the food on the table be it deer, coon, and what have you). And when they weren't expensive they were sometimes hard to find, he recounted a story about how him and his brothers and his dad went three counties over (mind you this is Florida during the 20s-30s when many of the roads were dirt trail and poorly paved) to get a few boxes of 30/30 and birdshot and that was all the store shop had, they were out of .45(I didn't think to ask him if he meant LC or APC) and .22.

So I figure stock up now. Excluding reloading, I know I know, but the assumption is that all supplies will be sparse six months from now, what would you buy and how could you buy ammo wise with a thousand dollars.

All i've got rifle wise is a Yugo 8mm and an SKS, both in great shape, both are good to great shooters out to 300 yards in rested prone position. I've got two shotguns, both are 20" barrels and meant for HD than hunting but could probably double well enough for bird hunting with birdshot as well as small game such as coon and possum.

Then of course there are the two .44magnums, 4" and 7.5". The rest I'll leave be left out.

So I'm thinking I've got a little over 13 hundred rounds for the 8mm, some corrosive some not, the SKS I only have a few hundred rounds left from when I last bulk bought.

The shotguns are depressingly low on ammo. The .44 Magnums I only have a couple hundred rounds for since I last bulk bought.

So here goes the shopping list as I ponder it now:

7.62x39--- 2,000 rounds, good round that can double for hunting and HD, also a common enough of a round here in the U.S. that it has potential barter potential.

.44 Magnum--- five hundred rounds, can be used on small to medium game like deer if needed, out of the 7.5" at least.

12 gauge--- hundred rounds of buckshot, good for HD and hunting small to medium game, fifty rounds of birdshot just because when there is nothing else to eat a pigeon can be awfully tasty with the right herbs and spices, in theory.

8mm Mauser--- I'm probably budgeted out. 8mm isn't all too common anymore so I usually pick up a ton when I can find it and hey it's the 8mm 'Magnum' so it can be an effective man stopper and dear dropper if needed. It'd be a round of purely last resort as I figure it. Whatever I have left would be used to purchase 8mm Mauser.

So how about you, I know some would want to feed their 45s first and .22s because .22LR can have a wide and flexible range of uses be it in handgun or rifle, heck Audie Murphy kept his family fed in Turkey as a kid at 12 years old with a SA .22LR revolver. I've already got a 'K' pluls of .22lr for my little 6.5" Heritage revolver.
 
I think that your list is pretty good. I don't think a total collapse of everything is imminent but who knows. I'd have some more 7.62, though, if I were you.
 
For a grand, I think I'd get a partial case of Eley Tenex. Or maybe some more 28 ga. I have enough of everything else, except maybe .38 Sp. match wadcutters.

Shotgun shells and .22s got my folks through the Depression.

John

P.S. - Forget ammo, they're having a big sale on stocks this week. Buy, buy, buy. Of course, I buy and hold. Commissions and taxes eat up a lot of profit.
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Rimfire Ammo Eley 22LR Tenex Ultimate EPS (5000 round case price)

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Some people have 44's, some have a 7.62, but everyone has a 12 gauge. If you are looking for potential return on your investment, remember you need to have someone to sell to. Why not pick the largest base, say 12 gauge and .22LR and start there. I would be willing to bet there are precious few people that own guns that don't have either a 12 gauge, or a .22LR.
 
If I were really worried about things getting ugly like that I think I'd have a couple of leverguns and a few pistols in .357 Magnum.

Then I'd stock up on a LOT of .38 special and .357 Magnum, especially the Hornady "LeverEvolution" ammo.

That's a common round that will "do ya" for almost anything in North America.
 
I agree to buy more 22LR. You can never have to much of it. Good to hunt small game and to teach others to shoot. I'd consider buying a .22 rifle to go with more ammo.
 
For me, I'd divy the money up and buy some of everything I could use.

$250 worth of 40 S&W bullets, should buy about 2500 of'em
$250 worth of 357 bullets, should net at least 2000
$100 worth of 22 LR, thats 5000 rounds of Federal bulk pack at wally world.
$100 worth of 12 gauge buckshot, which is about 100 rounds
$200 worth of 7.62x39, this is what a case cost's, 1000 rounds
$100 worth of 22 magnum, which would be about 750 rounds.

I'm already sitting on a pile of ammo in these calibers, so this would really increase my stockpile to a lifetime supply level.:D
 
How about 10 factory new .700 Nitro Express rounds?

I think I'd get around 1500 .45 colt rounds and 1000 in .380 auto. That would keep me happy for a while.
 
I would back off the 2000 rounds of 7.2x39 quota, and bump up the 12 gauge quite a bit. More buckshot and maybe #4's. Home defense and small game, man. That will get you through.
 
Are you buying for your own use (hoarding) or for barter?

If (a) then buy whatever you see being useful in the firearms you own...or buy whatever may go up substantially in a worst-case scenario (for example, 223, 308, x39).

If (b) then buy what will be in high demand... .22 LR, 12 ga bird and buckshot, and .30-06/.270/30-30, etc.

From a purist's position, it has been said (and believed by many) that the only things you really need are a .22, a 12-ga and a 30-06.

If you only have 1000 rounds of .22, I would quintuple that for about $112 ($14/550 at WM), and I'd do it today. No ammo is going down in price, no ammo is more versatile (and barter-able) and no ammo is a better deal than .22LR.

JMHO...and a note to self, I need to hit WM and buy a couple more boxes. I go through one every two-three weeks. :)
 
I would suggest going to ammoman.com and getting as much 7.62x39 as you can. That will do a heck of a lot to start you out. After that, I have no sources but I'd suggest getting you some 2 3/4" buckshot and slugs. It will be more valuable as a tool or a barter item as almost any 12 gauge can shoot them. Browse, find and pick up 8mm but unless it's a cartridge you love to shoot, the MG crowd will always keep the prices high. Get a few hundred for your favorite sidearm and then a few hundred more. If your favorite sidearm isn't the .44 magnum, get a couple of boxes of varous loads and bullet types that you know you can shoot the best for game. Try to keep a gunfight out of your mind with the .44 mag. Target acquisition just isn't fast enough for most people (Prove me wrong after you prove to me that you're the average man). Just remember, with every purchase you do, go to your favorite place that sells ammo and pick up the biggest container of .22LR that your gun likes. It sounds like you're preparing for TEOTWAWKI and at running the risk of a thread drift, keep in mind that ammo's heavy and there's a lot more supplies that you would need instead of ammo. Ammo's heavy and you can't eat it, drink it, or use it for shelter. *thread drift over*

Keep looking. My opinion is one of many of us on "teh interwebz."

My biggest piece of advice is follow your gut feeling. My dad, a Vietnam vet told me that before I went to Iraq and that little nubbin of advice saved my life as well as his.
 
Let's start an ammunition futures market.

I'm buying April 9x19 Parabellum at $210 a unit.

What am I offered for a unit of February 3" magnum 12 gauge 00 buck?

(This is -- just barely -- a joke.)
 
You can pick up a case (250 shells) of decent 12ga lead shot for around 60 bucks. I'd go with at least 500 shells and I might even consider buying nothing but shotgun shells (slugs, buckshot, and birdshot) and 22 ammo. A 12ga with an appropriate round for the situation will take good care of almost anything.
 
You shoot .44 Mag. so reloading is the obvious choice. You should look into acquiring the equipment to cast your own bullets. If you cast your own you'd probably be able to shoot your pistols for $.05-.10/shot depending on powder and where you get the lead.

Barter goes both ways, if you have the tooling and knowledge to make ammo you could potentially setup a small ammo factory and reload spent casings for people in trade for food/whatever.

Having an ample stock of .22LR and 12 GA buck/#7.5/slugs is always useful too.

I suggest:
Basic single stage reloading kit (lee anniverary ~$100?) and associated gear: dies for 44mag, 9mm, 30-30, 308, .223, 8mm and 7.62x39mm (~$20 each new, less if you shop for used), kinetic bullet puller ($15, collet die is better but $35), tumbler (ya I know, useless w/out electricity), brass sift plate ($10), decent calipers ($30), good reloading book ($30-40 new, $10 used). Total~$300

10,000 large rife and small rifle primers (~$225, can be used for pistol if worked up)

couple tins of 8mm surplus ($200? stuff lasts forever)

Some soft point factory 8mm brass cased for hunting. ($50 for 80?)

8 lbs generic mid burnrate rifle powder (win 748 comes to mind, ~$120)

4 lbs mid burnrate shotgun/pistol powder (Longshot=goodness, ~$60)

There ya go, about $1000 with shipping.

Reloading shotgun is a whole 'nother set of tools of which I have no experience, but you could pick up more longshot, lead shot and shotgun primers as trade goods if you know somebody who is tooled for sg shells.

Cant go wrong with 10,000 .22LR too. :)
 
I'd diversify, assign a percentage to each caliber, spend 700.00 of it on ammo and then I would spend the rest on spare parts for my .22's and pistols. A weapon is worthless if it has a broken spring that can't be replaced. I try to keep a good variety of parts on hand for all my weapons. Usually keep at least a couple of complete bolts for each of my AR's and trigger assemblies also extra springs, pins, bushings etc. Another thing to consider is tools with which to work on your guns, punches, drifts, small hardened screw drivers etc.
 
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