What do I need for a 10 ring rimfire rifle?

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I'm trying to find the right ammo for my stable of rim fire rifles or failing that, I need to buy a rifle and the right ammo to shoot the ten ring of a standard 50 yard smallbore target. Being able to hit X would be a plus. So far, scoped or iron sights, I'm basically getting a 9.5 and that is from a rest. My AR15 with irons is a 10.3 or so rifle with me shooting it for comparison and that is at a 100 reduced for 200 yard target.

So let us skip a head to buying a rifle and the ammo it would like. What rifles would I need to look at. I prefer receiver sights with the provision to mount a scope.

Price is a concern so keep it blue collar or blue collar working overtime.

Thanks,

Clutch
 
gun: Savage MK2 FVT
Ammo: Eley Tenex pistol

should have no problem holding a 10 ring at 50yds if you do your part
 
The only factory rifle which meets your requirements AND come with iron sights are the Savage MKII FVT. It is the only one which comes standard with receiver sights.

I have owned the FVT, a few CZs, Rugers, and a Marlin. They are all good accurate rifles... but the only one which comes set up with target irons is the Savage. The rest of them need to be fooled with to meet your specific requirements.

Ammo is highly subjective, but Lapua and Eley are always good places to start.
 
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well, I sent my ffl guy a link to it for a quote.

I really want a decent .22LR so I can practice my off hand.

Thanks,

Clutch
 
Are you qualified to buy from CMP? If so, I'd maybe start here: http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/rifles.htm - look in surplus for Kimber Model 82. The surface condition is slightly less than pristine, but everyone that has bought one has been impressed with how they clean up and how they shoot :)

I used to shoot a Remington Targetmaster (still have it). As long as the conditions were good and the guy behind the trigger was not hung over, it was ready to punch little tiny groups with Winchester Target or Eley Black.

If budget can get bigger (?), you might look at the next tab - target commercial. That will give you an idea of the range of equipment and prices.
 
If we're talking budget, the Savage is a good buy. It may just require some tinkering with to get the consistency that you probably want. If you get into a model that has the sights that your require and put it together with a Boyd's Tacticool stock and a little TLC, you should be able to get where you want to be using Wolf MT or SK Standard Plus.
 
I ordered the savage from my ffl guy. He called it one sweet rifle.

The CMP pig in a poke kimber looked interesting, I just don't want to risk the money on one that might not work out. I've been very happy with the M44 I bought years ago from the CMP though.

Thanks,

Clutch
 
yeah, you will be very happy with the MK2

right out of the box it is one fantastic shooter......and should be able to do exactly what you need.....

....and with some work, they will hold their own against any high end .22 on the market.
 
The Savage FVT will not require any 'tinkering'. You can fully expect to shoot shotgun hulls off the berm at 50 yards with CCIs or other quality ammo. I am no expert, and even I was able to do this with regularity from a bench. It also made a deadly squirrel rifle with CB longs.

A practiced shooter with match ammo should not expect less.
 
My FFL guy told me it may be in Wednesday or Thursday! I have Friday off along with the weekend. I can't wait to try this baby out!

Clutch

PS

How flexy is that synthetic stock?
 
How flexy is that synthetic stock?

its ....somewhat flexible.........its not to the point that itll dbend in your hands the second you grab it......but you can flex it if youve got a strong grip....

however.....the flexibility isnt reall the problem, its the size........

now i dont know if its the fact that im a giant......but it is REALLY small......like something that you would find on a youth rifle......and it doesnt exactly provide the greatest cheek rest for the sights......

i would strongly suggest replacing it........i ordered a prone stock from Richards and it feels SOOOO much better.

ive never used a boyds stock, but ive never heard of anyone complaining about them.
 
OP:
Price is a concern so keep it blue collar or blue collar working overtime.

Try Walther, Anschutz, Feinwarkbau, Steyr

usually when someone says "price is a concern"......it typically means they cant afford $1000-3000 rifles.
 
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The Remington 581 lends itself to be made more accurate than in factory dress. The trigger is easy once studied. My trigger registers 16 ounces on a Lyman Digital. Any aspect to aid accuracy could be applied.

On mine,I created another action screw through the rear of the receiver. Both screws are pillar bedded. I routed a ditch in the forend under the barrel and mixed lead shot and calk. Same for a hole in the butt stock.

Very accurate and relatively inexpensive. Put a very good glass on top and it will shoot.
 
I have to vote for what I bought for this purpose: Kimber M82 Govt' target. Great rifle, very accurate, can easily hold the "X" when the loose screw behind the trigger can do his part. Feed it just about any good quality match ammo until you find the cheapest one it likes for training, and then find the most accurate cost is no concern ammo for matches. Mine likes CCI Green Tag, and RWS Target Rifle for training, and adores Eley Ten-X and Lapua Midas. I need to try some Wolf match through it since I have heard good things about this ammo as well.
 
Shooting skills, the equipment is secondary.

While you have a point there, I'm trying to get past the point where I'm benching my rifles and trialing ammo to the point where I know a have an accurate combination and proceed to stand up on my hind legs and see how close to the baseline I can get with practice. IOW, I don't want to try for 10's and X with a combination that barely shoots 9 under the best conditions. It would be pointless and random.

Clutch
 
I had some problems when I switched to a Boyd's stock on my Savage MkIIFV. I put the BTV stock on it. I wish I would have bought the FVT and swapped the stocks.

Keep in mine that the Boyds stocks can get heavy for off hand shooting when you toss in the heavy barrel (if you got the heavy barrel model - I assume you did if you ordered the exact rifle mentioned previously). You may have to make slight alterations to a Boyds stock to get it to work on a FVT but you'll have a fine rifle with fine sights if you do. The synthetic stocks from Savage aren't so great but as long as you don't use a sling or put a lot of pressure on your rifle you should be good to go. I suggest trying Wolf MT ammo. My rifle loves it

Deleting some good stuff. Right now I'm interested in creating a good off hand rifle/ammo combination to practice with. At some point introducing the sling for sitting and prone will be on the agenda. At that point restocking it will be in the budget again. I can buy any gun or accessory, I want, the intervals tend to get spread out depending. :D

I have the exact rifle mentioned on order. I hope to have it by Thursday.

My goal is to develop my off hand skills so that when I resume shooting CMP and NRA high power with my mouse gun I acquired during the previous winter, that I'm not flogging around . I need to re-learn the basics once again. I've been out of game for a while due to one career going down the drain and re-starting again.

I'm trying to be somewhat frugal over the long run.

Thanks,

Clutch
 
While you have a point there, I'm trying to get past the point where I'm benching my rifles and trialing ammo to the point where I know a have an accurate combination and proceed to stand up on my hind legs and see how close to the baseline I can get with practice. IOW, I don't want to try for 10's and X with a combination that barely shoots 9 under the best conditions. It would be pointless and random.

Clutch

exactly

target shooting is a whole different mental game than traditional shooting....

the goal is absolute perfection....shooters dont count the points the earned.......they count the points they lost.

the idea is to eliminate as many variables from the equation as possible.....

if you have a sub-MOA hold, a sub-MOA rifle....but you have a 3MOA red dot sight...........your still only going to shoot 3 MOA at best.

you take the worlds best shooter, and give him a sub-par rifle.......hes only going to shoot sub-par.

now if you take an unknown shooter.....and give him a sub-par rifle.......how are you to know whether the rifle or the shooter is the limiting factor.
 
I don't agree that equipment is secondary either. I got into shooting rimfire a few months ago and I participate in a weekly 50 yard match using ARA targets. In order to hit a 100 score every time, according to ARA rules, provided that the shooter is up to it, the rifle HAS to be able to keep all hits within a 3/8" circle.

The match that I shoot was started and intended to attract as many shooters as possible, so the match is operated with some changes to the ARA rules and everyone is required to shoot Wolf MT ammunition. These two things even the playing field somewhat. The scoring is done using the "best line" method, so some hits that would score a 50 under ARA rules are scored as being a 100 under the rules of the local match. This sort of opens up to field to less expensive rifles, or it was meant to anyway.

As it has turned out, shooters that shoot the likes of Anschutz and Remington 40X still dominate the match. Rifles like the Savages and CZs don't even come close to doing what would be needed to win the match.

Please understand that I'm only posting this for informational purposes and am not trying to get into a debate on the accuracy of some of the rifles mentioned here. From what I've seen, the Savages, out of the box, do not have the consistent accuracy necessary to consistently win "A" class, much less master class.

A friend of mine that is really involved in the match program recently bought a Savage TR, with the intention of rigging it up just to show that a guy that is interested in shooting the match can get into it without getting into the expense of buying an Anschutz or the like. The end result thus far has been that it just won't do. We're close, after a LOT of tinkering, but we aren't quite there with it yet.

So far, he has the trigger down to about 8oz. The Boyd's stock has been bedded and we made sure that the barrel was free floated. It's shooting pretty good, but we're still getting that occassional unexplained flyer that would account for a loss of about 200 points per card.

Another friend of mine that usually shoot a 10/22 that is all Volquartsen just bought another Savage TR. He usually shoots something in the 6800-6900 range with his 10/22. He got the Savage thinking that it would be a step up. Although he's still getting used to the rifle, I think he shot something like a 6400 with it the last time we shot. He actually shot a few zeroes with it.

The only point that I'm trying to make is that you shouldn't expect to get something like a Savage and expect it to be able to hit the X ring every time. Not without some tweaking.

From what I understand, the Savage's barrel is pressed in and pinned. The next thing I want to try with my friend's rifle is possibly bedding a part of the barrel.

Don't get me wrong. The Savage is nice, especially for the price and if hitting shotgun hull size targets is all you need it to do, it should do that nicely; but I wouldn't expect much more.

My match rifle is a Kidded out 10/22 and it shoots rings around any Savage that I've seen.
 
OP:
usually when someone says "price is a concern"......it typically means they cant afford $1000-3000 rifles.

Yeah but if you want to compete with even the remotest chance of winning then you'd better save your pennies...If all you want to do is plink paper, then any piece of junk will do.

Also, try going to the different shooting clubs (or sites) and see if someone is selling off their trainer or older rifle--you'll be able to get good deals that way.

Ever price out a full blown 10/22 rebuild? A KIDD trigger is $450 and if your trigger isn't as good --Volquartsen $300--as that then you'll probably lose.

I can get an Anschutz 1416 Sporter for less money that will shoot as good if not better right out of the box whether you use receiver (target) sights or optics.

Shooting Xs consistently is done with quality equipment and quality equipment costs! Live with it.
 
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