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What do ya'll think, is this for real or scam,trap?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Grassman, Feb 26, 2009.

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  1. Grassman

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    This was taken from another message board I frequent. This message board is just every day conversation and not strictly gun talk. I copied and pasted it below. Is this for real or something else? A scam, a trap or what?..................




    the good bil is to say the least, a gun "enthusiast" (sp). well today he gets a phone call at work from.... (fanfare please) the ATF. It seems one of the weapons he purchased as new from a local gun shop not only isn't new but has been ballistic matched to a crime dating before he purchased the weapon.



    just me or does this sound weird? the gentleman who called had all the proper data and everything....
     
  2. Duke of Doubt

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    I suspect the umbrella man from the grassy knoll. The one who was always smoking imitation cigarettes on the set and delivering put option price points to the Bavarian Illuminati whenever the Mason boys weren't trying to give him an atomic wedgie.
     
  3. WardenWolf

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    It was "ballistic matched"? Uh, how would they have an sample from this specific firearm to match it to a crime? Crime scene evidence is one step, but they need to then match it to a firearm they have on record. Most aren't on record. The way a firearm normally gets on record is if it's seized under a warrant and then cross-referenced.

    I strongly doubt this. Plus the fact that ballistic matching is not an exact science. While it can generally tell between two specific firearms, it is not going to be reliable when compared to the overall sea of firearms out there. There will be many false matches.
     
  4. Grassman

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    That's what I'm asking, this sounds like some sorta scam or something. But all the numbers match up. Someone from the place where he bought it?
     
  5. Duke of Doubt

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    Grassman: "But all the numbers match up."

    O.K.; that wasn't in the OP. What do you mean?
     
  6. ants

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    I would suspect that the entire incident is false.

    Personally, I wouldn't use my time trying to figure out which part of the story is falsehood or truth. I would suspect the entire story would likely be false.
     
  7. Grassman

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    I misread that one, just that he had all the correct data.
     
  8. WardenWolf

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    I call BS. Really, I do. Something like this wouldn't happen out of the blue. This guy isn't telling everythig, or he's making the whole thing up as he goes.
     
  9. CWL

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    The only 'matching' is in some states where you need to provide some fired brass, but I doubt that Texas is one of those states.

    If it was a crime, wouldn't the FBI be investigating, unless this has something to do with weapons trafficking. If in doubt, the person should call the local branch of the ATF and inquire, he shouldn't return the call or agree to meet with anyone.
     
  10. Grassman

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    Like I said, this ain't me. Just someone on another message board.
     
  11. Jim K

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    MD and NY have "ballistic fingerprinting" in which a fired case from a new gun is submitted to the state police after the sale is finalized. It is certainly possible that the situation as described could actually happen in those states.

    One of the flaws of the law, which was pointed out to its backers, is that a bad guy can pick up cases at a range and leave them at a crime scene to implicate an innocent person; I don't know if it has been done, but it could be. And of course, there is always the possibility of a mistake; unlike human fingerprints, there is no large body of data to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there can be no duplicate cartridge markings.

    BATFE normally wouldn't be involved, but I bet they would investigate the dealer to make sure he isn't engaged in some kind of "rent-a-gun" operation.

    Jim
     
  12. Officers'Wife

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    By any chance does this guy write scripts for one of the CSIs?
     
  13. jnyork

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    Does not pass the smell test. Something amiss here.
     
  14. madmike

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    Well, if it "wasn't new" but was sold as such, the dealer is a fraud.

    I agree he needs to call the ATF from the phone book, not return anyone's call unverified.

    If what he's saying is what he actually heard, not BS from the word Go, it sounds like someone at the store is hoping he'll "surrender" the weapon peacefully, and then they'll resell it to the next sucker.

    Or he could just be a clown seeking attention.
     
  15. Duke of Doubt

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    Another Urban Legend begins.
     
  17. Duke of Doubt

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    More like a Middle School Rumor.
     
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    I think I saw that episode
     
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    Bunch of bull snot. Some of the reasons have already been expounded upon, others not. Suffice it to say that the technology and tracking databases for such action do not exist. Also, it would not be ATF; it would be the LEA investigating the crime in which the gun in question was allegedly used.
     
  20. Duke of Doubt

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    Jim Keenan: "... unlike human fingerprints, there is no large body of data to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there can be no duplicate cartridge markings."

    Fingerprinting is the biggest con in criminal justice for the past century. It's crap.
     
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    No way to know what is going on, with the data provided.

    I am reminded of the OK investigation in which a 40cal was used to murder two young girls on a back road, and the local police did a mass mailing to all the local folk who had purchased 40cal pistols. (Despite the article's misstatements, there is no 'gun registration' in OK and they must have used purchase records that were manually culled from local gun shops..)

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080819_12_A1_hAgent424864&allcom=1

    My point is that there are innumerable circumstances that could lead to a phone call, and with the data provided by the OP there is no way to know for sure what is going on.

    I can see no way for this to be a scam , tho.
     
  22. XD9WBT

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    Exactly and the kicker is the Phone call. The ATF would call not and tell someone they were in possession of evidence.
    More likely you would get what they call a Waco job.
     
  23. Straight Shooter

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    I just purchased a new XD45 in PA and during his safety speech the shop owner pulled out a little envelope from the XD's case and proceeded to tell me not to throw this envelope away because if I did I wouldn't be able to sell the gun in MD. I asked him what it was and he explained that it was a spent casing that the factory shoots then submits a report or something to MD.

    I had heard that fingerprinting the casing or coding the bullet were being considered for new laws but I wasn't aware that it was already happening.

    One more baby step...
     
  24. PAshooter

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    It's not... and you were misinformed... on two counts.

    1) A spent casing is required to purchase a new handgun in MD. Not required when purchasing a used firearm.

    2) No "report" is sent to the State Police; the spent casing is sent along with the permit to purchase paperwork. It then gets filed away somewhere... or maybe imaged... and ends up in a database associated with that firearm.

    The theory is that unique markings on the spent case could be used to match the gun to cases found at a future crime scene. Number of crimes solved using this data over the many, many years MD has been requiring this: zero.

    Oh, and this has nothing to do with microstamping, it's supposed to work with standard, Mark I ammo and guns, by matching the marks left on the brass upon firing by imperfections in the chamber, extractor marks, etc.

    It's a joke. But hey... anything to interfere with the lawful exercise of a Constitutionally guaranteed right.
     
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    All that is needed is a "call back" number,then call it...
     
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