What do you not like about Glock?
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longeyes
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It's not "perfection" but as a practical tool of self-defense, offering quickness of deployment, reasonable accuracy at combat distances, and a very high level of reliability, it's pretty much unmatched.
That doesn't mean Herr Glock could not improve his design in "Gen IV." The grip angle issue is certainly addressable. Improve the sights. Optional manual safety...maybe.
That doesn't mean Herr Glock could not improve his design in "Gen IV." The grip angle issue is certainly addressable. Improve the sights. Optional manual safety...maybe.
CountGlockula
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I love Glocks, but if I were to dislike them...reasons would be the FEAR of NOT having an external safety and THE FEAR of kaBooms.
Most dislike Glocks or any other type of guns because of lack of usage or knowledge of them.
Most dislike Glocks or any other type of guns because of lack of usage or knowledge of them.
-The grip angle seems to defy ergonomics. One must completely relearn to fully accommodate it. I suppose if you started on a Glock you'd not have that problem unless you moved to another platform.
Some argue that's not really a valid objection, but I challenge these people to execute point shooting or rapid fire exercises with a gun featuring a grip angle you do not have muscle memory for. Your performance will suffer, it's no different than the difficulties one encounters trying to master a new trigger.
If I draw from a holster or come up from low ready and then freeze, if I'm using anything besides a Glock, I will see the front sight if I look through the rear sight. It may not be perfectly centered due to improper technique on my part, but it'll be there. If I repeat this with a Glock, I will look through the rear sight and see the top of the slide.
The answer to the problem is of course training and practice, but if I already have something that works for me which is just as viable as the Glock pistol, why should I change?
- On the current generation models, the finger grooves do not separate one's fingers into the valleys of the grip, but rather the ridges settle into the middle of the finger. This leads to an insecure grip, the effects of which are further exaggerated by the first problem I have alluded to.
- Some magazines drop free, others do not. I understand this has been fixed however and the company is making only drop free magazines now, so perhaps that objection is not relevant any more.
- On some models, say the Glock 21, the grip feels like trying to hold onto a sewer pipe. I have fairly large hands but relatively short fingers, and I can barely reach the trigger comfortably with the power crease of the finger.
I honestly really want to like the Glock pistol, I really do, but the fact is there are other products which are just as good (at least for my purposes) when you peel back the marketing hype.
Here's how Glock can get my business:
- Eliminate finger grooves. I picked up a second generation G19 recently, and I was impressed! Why do they not make them like that any more, that's a much better feeling gun. I think I could get over the grip angle issue if they'd just do this.
- Get a grip! Seriously, why only one grip angle? Offer a finger groove less gun with a 1911 grip angle and I'm in. The 22/45 and Mark III are the same basic gun made in two different grip angles, and both are big sellers. The M&P and other guns have interchangeable back straps... it can be done and rather easily!
- Your competition offers double stack .45s which aren't so fat, you can too.
I have come to the conclusion one day if I find the right bargain, I might pick up an old school G19 or G23, but I'm not really looking that hard. Other makers accommodate me, and Glock doesn't. It's that simple.
Some argue that's not really a valid objection, but I challenge these people to execute point shooting or rapid fire exercises with a gun featuring a grip angle you do not have muscle memory for. Your performance will suffer, it's no different than the difficulties one encounters trying to master a new trigger.
If I draw from a holster or come up from low ready and then freeze, if I'm using anything besides a Glock, I will see the front sight if I look through the rear sight. It may not be perfectly centered due to improper technique on my part, but it'll be there. If I repeat this with a Glock, I will look through the rear sight and see the top of the slide.
The answer to the problem is of course training and practice, but if I already have something that works for me which is just as viable as the Glock pistol, why should I change?
- On the current generation models, the finger grooves do not separate one's fingers into the valleys of the grip, but rather the ridges settle into the middle of the finger. This leads to an insecure grip, the effects of which are further exaggerated by the first problem I have alluded to.
- Some magazines drop free, others do not. I understand this has been fixed however and the company is making only drop free magazines now, so perhaps that objection is not relevant any more.
- On some models, say the Glock 21, the grip feels like trying to hold onto a sewer pipe. I have fairly large hands but relatively short fingers, and I can barely reach the trigger comfortably with the power crease of the finger.
I honestly really want to like the Glock pistol, I really do, but the fact is there are other products which are just as good (at least for my purposes) when you peel back the marketing hype.
Here's how Glock can get my business:
- Eliminate finger grooves. I picked up a second generation G19 recently, and I was impressed! Why do they not make them like that any more, that's a much better feeling gun. I think I could get over the grip angle issue if they'd just do this.
- Get a grip! Seriously, why only one grip angle? Offer a finger groove less gun with a 1911 grip angle and I'm in. The 22/45 and Mark III are the same basic gun made in two different grip angles, and both are big sellers. The M&P and other guns have interchangeable back straps... it can be done and rather easily!
- Your competition offers double stack .45s which aren't so fat, you can too.
I have come to the conclusion one day if I find the right bargain, I might pick up an old school G19 or G23, but I'm not really looking that hard. Other makers accommodate me, and Glock doesn't. It's that simple.
Guzzizzit
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Only that i cant own them all. But i'm working on it.
Ala Dan
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Glock "Imperfections"~!
Plastic sights and guide rod
NO cocking indicator
Polymer magazines
NO ambi magazine release
Expensive
All in all, GLOCK's are very serviceable firearms. What I do like is their
tennifer process, and I wish more gun manufactuer's would use a very
similiar finish. Springfield Armory has come on strong with their new
MELONITE finish first introduced on their XD .45 ACP series; but its
far too early to tell how long it will hold up.
Plastic sights and guide rod
NO cocking indicator
Polymer magazines
NO ambi magazine release
Expensive
All in all, GLOCK's are very serviceable firearms. What I do like is their
tennifer process, and I wish more gun manufactuer's would use a very
similiar finish. Springfield Armory has come on strong with their new
MELONITE finish first introduced on their XD .45 ACP series; but its
far too early to tell how long it will hold up.
prolanman
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I had a G23. It just didn't fit my hand well and I was never able to shoot it as well as any of my other guns. I wasn't crazy about the trigger either. That and I prefer to keep my Tupperware in the kitchen cabinet above the stove.
Black Majik
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Hmm.. I guess I fail to see how Glocks are considered expensive. They may be more than the M&P and XDs, but they're still less expensive than the HKs. As much as I like to spend as little money necessary like everyone else, I feel they're priced fairly.
As to the platform, I used to complain about everything mentioned already. The fingergrooves on the fullsize models are spaced out too far apart to get a really good hold. They seem to be spaced farther apart than the Compact Glocks, which fit me ok. The plastic sights and sight picture just plain sucked. I suffer from the grip angle complaint also, which the gun points much higher than I want it to. It's not nearly as bad with the compact Glocks as it is with the G34/35 and fullsize models. The trigger just plain sucks, but I've grown to look past it.
I've owned and sold them. But I do appreciate the platform very much. They're very easy to take down and maintain. The gun is durable and reliable, there is no question about it. The trigger, while pretty crappy has a short reset which aids in fast follow up shots.
I've tossed around the idea of a G19 for a general purpose gun. But really, there are other platforms that fit me better so I'll have to be hit with a strong impulse buy to drop the cash on one.
As to the platform, I used to complain about everything mentioned already. The fingergrooves on the fullsize models are spaced out too far apart to get a really good hold. They seem to be spaced farther apart than the Compact Glocks, which fit me ok. The plastic sights and sight picture just plain sucked. I suffer from the grip angle complaint also, which the gun points much higher than I want it to. It's not nearly as bad with the compact Glocks as it is with the G34/35 and fullsize models. The trigger just plain sucks, but I've grown to look past it.
I've owned and sold them. But I do appreciate the platform very much. They're very easy to take down and maintain. The gun is durable and reliable, there is no question about it. The trigger, while pretty crappy has a short reset which aids in fast follow up shots.
I've tossed around the idea of a G19 for a general purpose gun. But really, there are other platforms that fit me better so I'll have to be hit with a strong impulse buy to drop the cash on one.
ajax
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I don't like the grip. The Glock doesn't cater to small handed guys.
Jim_M
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To many Glocks, not enough time.
Jim
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Grips never fit, no matter which one I tried. If they did, I would own one, given the reliability and track record...
And I don't like the thoughts personally of a gun that a key could set off, even if it's only a one in a billion chance, I'm the one it will happen to...
On an aesthetic note, pretty much all the squared off polymers are ugly as sin, and an example of incredibly poor taste...
And I don't like the thoughts personally of a gun that a key could set off, even if it's only a one in a billion chance, I'm the one it will happen to...
On an aesthetic note, pretty much all the squared off polymers are ugly as sin, and an example of incredibly poor taste...
Harry Paget Flashman
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I don't like that Glock can't sell the G28 in the U.S. I don't need one but would like to add it to my inventory of .380's.
possum
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there are several reasons i do not like them as much as say an xd but they are great weapons, i suggest that you put more rds through it , and give it more of a chance, don't give up on it that easy. i pput 600rds through my 19 before i decided that i didn't want to keep it.
i don't like the factory sights, i can't stand the u rear sight.
non fully supported chambers
dosen't fit my hand,
dosen't point naturally for me
dislike the finger grooves
grip girth is to big.
plastic magazines
plastic sights, trigger and guide rod.
etc.
i don't like the factory sights, i can't stand the u rear sight.
non fully supported chambers
dosen't fit my hand,
dosen't point naturally for me
dislike the finger grooves
grip girth is to big.
plastic magazines
plastic sights, trigger and guide rod.
etc.
Glockfan.45
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Most will tell you the grip angle is the big issue. If the grip doesnt work for you then there isnt much that can be done to fix that. If the trigger is your issue (which on most poly-framed pistols is an issue) they make several connector springs that will resolve that easy and cheap. Anybody that says kabooms is just biased or buying into the myth. Every pistol can and has had KBs. For me I dont like the standard sights so I opt for the night sights on mine.
I found that while I shoot accurately with a Glock 17, it isn't a comfortable experience. It doesn't feel right in my hand. I tried to like it, I really did. I wouldn't feel that I was carrying a bad pistol, but a Glock would probably be low down on my list if I bought another pistol.
Todesengel
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oregonshooter said:
Nice, good job! Any idea how to trim the backstrap?
Sry0fcr
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Grip is blocky & angle is unnatural.
Finger grooves.
Plastic sights.
Poor trigger pull.
Lack of manual external safety.
Kinda wide for IWB carry.
Other than that I don't have much of a beef besides the ugliness.
Finger grooves.
Plastic sights.
Poor trigger pull.
Lack of manual external safety.
Kinda wide for IWB carry.
Other than that I don't have much of a beef besides the ugliness.
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Tomato, tomahto.
The Glock pistol is a superb example of the simplicity achieved when the
pursuit is function over form. With that in mind, appreciation of it becomes
easy. It seems to me that most complaints come from those who have
shot a different pistol for years (and can't adapt) or those who like shiny
slides and lots of levers on their guns.
If you like durable and accurate and simple pistols, Glock is for you.
Ergonomics? A 19 points better than anything I have ever held (well...)
Aesthetics? They're lovely.
Trigger? Just fine with some practice.
Sights? Get them replaced if they don't suit you.
KB? Right. Keep your gun clean and don't use crap/ridiculous ammo.
Not a beginner's gun
Tomato, tomahto.
The Glock pistol is a superb example of the simplicity achieved when the
pursuit is function over form. With that in mind, appreciation of it becomes
easy. It seems to me that most complaints come from those who have
shot a different pistol for years (and can't adapt) or those who like shiny
slides and lots of levers on their guns.
If you like durable and accurate and simple pistols, Glock is for you.
Ergonomics? A 19 points better than anything I have ever held (well...)
Aesthetics? They're lovely.
Trigger? Just fine with some practice.
Sights? Get them replaced if they don't suit you.
KB? Right. Keep your gun clean and don't use crap/ridiculous ammo.
Not a beginner's gun
outofbattery
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I carry a 16 year old G19 daily.I have zero emmotional attachment to it and it's getting beat up but I don't care enough to have it refinished.Many of my pistols I like the look,feel,design and craftsmanship of but the Glock is rather unremarkable in all of these aspects.However it _works_.I have a Trijicon front sight,the NY-1 trigger and a 3.5lb connector and find that combination to not only be a huge improvement over the stock Glock trigger,but one that's very easy to shoot well.
I guess without many of the now standard internet talking points there wouldn't be much to gripe about but until I started reading the internet I didn't know my Glocks had such a horribly un-natural grip angle or that my SIG's weren't very accurate because the bore axis is too high.Stupid me,I'd just been shooting them
I guess without many of the now standard internet talking points there wouldn't be much to gripe about but until I started reading the internet I didn't know my Glocks had such a horribly un-natural grip angle or that my SIG's weren't very accurate because the bore axis is too high.Stupid me,I'd just been shooting them
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