What does the future of CZ look like?

[gunmn74]

I am very interested in the 2075 Rami but I am a little gun shy.

In the early 90s there was a gun getting alot of the same praise that
CZ gets today. It was Firestar and I bought one, what a sweet gun.
I have a starvil finished M-40 that shoots as good as my full size Kimber.
This is an awsome little gun and up to a few years ago people were always
making me offers to buy it. Now parts are getting hard to come by, I have
decided it is to heavy to use as my ccw piece and I dont want to shoot it
to much because of the parts avaliabilty. I would like to sell this gun to
fund a CZ but the prices for Firestars have fallen and I have to wounder,
10 years from now will a CZ suffer the same fate as my Firestar?

 

[scurtis_34471]

Its not likely. The CZ 75 and its variants are used by more law enforcement agencies worldwide than any other line of guns. The PO-1 is an official NATO sidearm. CZ isn't going anywhere.

 

[RNB65]

CZ has been around a long, long time. The Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ), A.S., company was established in 1992 after the fall of communism opened the door for commercial enterprise in the Czech Republic. However, the CZ factory in the city of Uhersky Brod has been manufacturing firearms since 1936. CZ is one of the premier firearms makers in the world today and it's not going anywhere any time soon.

 

[PCRCCW]

Agreed........CZ isnt going anywhere for a long time. Star going under was very unfortunate IMO...I love the little Firestars and the Plus's. Very nice guns...

CZ is growing as fast as any company right now...except maybe Glock in the 80's and see no real reason why they would slow down.

Shoot well and god bless

 

[Omega]

The PO-1 is an official NATO sidearm

Does NATO number make the gun "an official NATO sidearm"?
Please enlighten me. Thx

 

[JohnBT]

They have to be tested to earn certification. I don't know the test parameters off the top of my head, but I've seen them posted on another board. I regularly see the PO-1 advertised as the only NATO-certified pistol available to civilians in unmodified form.

If the CZ pistols are popular worldwide, then I'd guess the rifles are really popular from what I've heard.

CZ isn't going anywhere but up.

John

 

[jdc1244]

I'd guess the rifles are really popular from what I've heard.

You've heard correctly. The 527 and 550 series of rifles are very popular. The VZ 58 is getting great reviews. It will never replace the AK but should earn a decent share of the market - especially with more refinements and and as the price decreases.

CZ's making the right moves to stay in business for a long time.

 

[Canuc Shooter]

CZ will still be here when we're gone.

 

[mikec]

First, nothing will protect a company against stupid management or bad laws. I do not know if either was the cause of Star's demise but we all have to understand that. Second, Star made handguns and some sub guns, CZ has a broader menu, more options for the civilian buyer. As long as CZ's management doesn't mess up or the laws don't derail the company I have no problem buying from them.

 

[trillium]

They have to be tested to earn certification. I don't know the test parameters off the top of my head, but I've seen them posted on another board. I regularly see the PO-1 advertised as the only NATO-certified pistol available to civilians in unmodified form.

Its misleading statement HS 2000/XD 9mm service model is NATO certified pistol avaliable to civilians as well in un modified form.

Nato Stock Number NSN 1005-53-0000029

 

[The Tourist]

If there was no such thing as a Colt 1911, I'd say that my CZ 83 was one of the finest pistols made.

 

[mikec]

If there was no such thing as a Colt 1911, I'd say that my CZ 83 was one of the finest pistols made.

I would say the 75 family, but if the Master, JMB, had not created the 1911 or the P-35 I do think the designers at CZ would have had a tough time.

(YES, I know that Dieudonne Saive had a lot to do with the P-35's design as well as JMB.)

 

[DENALI]

I believe CZ's press release demands some scrutiny in regards to the PO1. For instance, it's rated for about 30,000 rounds of NATO ball but only 15,000 rounds of +P? Hmm, since when does the Chech national police qualify as NATO? What are the official sidearms if any of NATO? Last I checked(no pun intended) Sigs, Glocks, H&K's, M-9's were all NATO issue, or more to the point carried by NATO member nations. Now hold your tempers, I like the PO1 and own one, but like Federal cartridge's claim's of +P+ 9mm there appears to be a little shall we call it embellishment?

 

[Edward Nigma]

I've read in countless publications the P01 was the only handgun that passed all of NATO's tests. I've read and heard no other handgun passed them all.

 

[DENALI]

Sorry there Edward, but I'm highly sceptical of that claim. Glock, H&K, Sig, Beretta, FN, Stehr, ect.. couldn't make the cut? Nope, it's a nice little pistol but it's steel is nowhere near as tough as Glock's and H&K's. Further it's made up of almost 65 parts and I don't think they can be as interchangeable as claimed. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice little service pistol but personally, I feel they've embellished the little guy's resume........

 

[Edward Nigma]

I'd think the other manufacturers are perfectly capable of challenging the claims if they aren't true. The current issue of Gun World magazine also has the claims in an article on the P01.

I also have not seen an official NATO stock number on any of the other aforementioned pistols. Both of my P01s have the NATO stock number on them.

I haven't been seeing any other manufacturers challenge the claim as being untrue yet.

As for the ammo ratings, there's no way at this rate I'll shoot that many rounds out of my P01s in my lifetime, and I don't use the +p stuff anway.

In this day and age of frivolent lawsuits I would think someone will challenge these claims somewhere if they aren't true.

And, I should modify what I read one bit: The P01 is the only pistol AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC to pass all of the NATO tests.

I would expect other manufacturers to dispute the claim CZ makes if it is false or inaccurate.

 

[Firepower!]

Used ones will still be around. But I think outside the US they dont have any potential. Unless they get a contract from a law enforcement agency in Europe or Asia.

 

[Arch]

The CZ75 is one of the most copied/reproduced handguns designs today. They have got that many military contracts they are unlikely to fold up pistol production anytime soon.

 

[kamagong]

I'd guess the rifles are really popular from what I've heard.

You'd guess right. I recently picked up a CZ 452 partly based on the recommendations from people here and other gun forums. CZ rifles are fine firearms, especially their rimfire pieces.

 

[armoredman]

Ed, there are other pistols to pass NATO testing. The PO1 is one of them, and an excellent sidearm - I bet my life on one everyday. I would be interested to see someone challenge and redo all the tests - but redo the Glock torture tests, too. I have had more of them fail IN MY HAND than any CZ. Of course, your mileage may vary...
DENALI, the steel of the PO1 is as every bit as good as any other sidearm on the market...even when the frame is forged alloy, not steel.
Firepower!, more CZs are sold overseas than in the US. CZ-USA is a relativly recent business entity, compared to many companies selling firearms in the US. The Cee-Zed, as it is known outside of the US, is a very highly regarded sidearm.
Gunnm74, the RAMI has been around for 5 years, and will probably be around many years in the future - dinna fash, laddie.
One thing to judge CZ-UB's resilience, (CZ-USA's parent company), is the fact that they bought Dan Wesson, and are making a profit there, too.
The only market I think CZ might drop out of is the same market Glock, SiG, and Smith and Wesson said they may withdraw from - California. Other than that, CZ is making headway everywhere, and even now marketing thier own semi-auto only military pattern rifle, the vZ58.

 

[DENALI]

The steel of the CZ-75/PO1 be it the forged slide, or alloy frame is not as tough as that of the H&K or Glock counterpart. They have not been submersed in salt nitrate acid bath's and hardened to .69RC to a depth of .005 micron's. There certainly in wide distribution and I for one cannot forsee there corporate decline from any market, let alone the US for whom they've really only just penetrated. Please don't confuse my just criticisms with the typical gun forum angst, they are not. As to Glock and there toture test's, Touche armoredman.....................

 

[DENALI]

Why Edward, the NATO stock # is etched on the PO1's frame because CZ put it there. I think you'll find other manufacturers justifiably slow on the challenge and lawsuit train, one cannot forget S&W's homage to Herr Glock by copying his design and naming it Sigma can we now! Regarding NATO ball and +P I'm only chalking that up to an error in the translation. Nato ball run's at 40,000 cup, Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P runs at 38,500cup, do the math.....

 

[PCRCCW]

You guys can argue the merits of NATO all you want........It doesnt mean anything to me....it never made the gun any better IMO. Most if not all of the PO1's years of extensive research and testing was done on the freaking PCR anyway. Its a PCR with a Rail and is one of the best CCW guns available from any company!

What most people dont know and obviously the person who started this thread...not a slam!K? Its just the unfortunate way it is!...Is the whole world has known about CZ hand guns and rifles for over 50 years and compared them to the best of the best for that long.

Just because Beretta has been in the USA longer and is well known, its got a better reputation..when IMO CZ is a better gun. CZ's are not known in the states and therefore people cant equate the name with the quality that they are.

It will just take time for the states to catch up with the rest of the World in that regard. Thats simply all there is to it! Now....go back to your room!!!!

Many of the best shooters in the world have regarded the CZ as the best DA triggered handgun in existence. The trigger design, how tough the damn things are...have you seen many DA hand guns with dual trigger bars? etc...

Its just a solid design and is used in more militaries around the world than any other gun! Bar non........including Glock and FN!

Now ......let me ask you! How long do you think CZ will last?????????

Shoot well and god bless

 

[DENALI]

...When can we come out of our room's?:banghead:

 

[SDDL-UP]

The future of CZ is very bright!

The CZ-75 is one of the very finest handguns in the world - PERIOD! Just because they don't spend as much money on advertising doesn't mean they aren't as good as other brands. CZ is offering more and more fine firearms the CZ-452 and 453 are some of the finest shooting bolt action 22LR's in the world.

CZ handguns and rifles are good stuff.