I worked in machine shops for many years, mostly on automatic screw machines. Ammo is assembled on high speed machinery so if I find an OOPS!, I just think Meh! and toss the offending round in my "weird bucket", Nobody, no machine is perfect...
I don't think I've ever seen that before.My primer seating results in the anvil showing in the cup. I dont believe that you can cause that mark and not be bottomed out.View attachment 1060282
Remington went bankrupt and was split up and sold off with ammunition production bought by Vista Outdoor in 2020 (Parent company of CCI/Federal/Speer/Alliant, etc. and firearm production bought by Roundhill Group) - https://investors.vistaoutdoor.com/...mmunition-and-Accessories-Assets/default.aspxWith Remington starting and stoping production and ramping up, trying to catch the ammo crazy. I feel their quality control is laxing and lowered ... Remington 870’s not even trying to match frame and stock. I would skip on Remington primers for a bit. Until they catch up.
Seating primer is a two (2) step process:My primer seating results in the anvil showing in the cup. I dont believe that you can cause that mark and not be bottomed out.View attachment 1060282
Yes.The anvil is designed to stand proud of the cup so when the primer is seated it pre-stresses the pellet to ensure ignition.
Vista owns it all but they are run separately. There no Vista Manufacturing headquarters. Just a board room full of investors counting their $$$$ and how they can make more $$$$ on their private islandRemington went bankrupt and was split up and sold off with ammunition production bought by Vista Outdoor in 2020 (Parent company of CCI/Federal/Speer/Alliant, etc. and firearm production bought by Roundhill Group) - https://investors.vistaoutdoor.com/...mmunition-and-Accessories-Assets/default.aspx
So I fully expect Remington primer quality control to reflect that of CCI/Federal in the future.
Seating primer is a two (2) step process:
If you stop at step #1 (Above flush or flush, depending on depth of primer pocket), then first primer strike may not ignite the priming compound and just leave a shallow dent on cup while pushing the primer cup deeper and second primer strike will ignite the priming compound.
- Initial resistance we feel is the primer anvil feet hitting the bottom of primer pocket
- Second resistance we feel is the primer anvil feet pushing against the bottom of primer pocket setting the anvil tip against the priming compound under the cup.
Your primer cup SHOULD be seated until secondary resistance is felt or about .004" below flush.
Here's US Army AMU's take on primer seating depth - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11403561
In this post, different brand primers were seated to typical .004" below flush and even "crush depth" .008" and all the primers ignited normally without issue - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...s-90200-hand-held.871506/page-2#post-11567786
Funny as that's exactly the opposite of the problem state earlier. Maybe I'm wrong both ways. I did test 5 cci srp in the same cases and had zero issues. I also had zero problems today. Every single one pictured shot zero issues. Based on the total number of issues and my sample size 5 in 1500 being bad is what it is.If you are having FTF, you are probably fracturing the pellet of explosive betweern the anvil and the primer top.
Is the primer pinch concave? It is set too high. Prime on press or nyhand?
My primer seating results in the anvil showing in the cup. I dont believe that you can cause that mark and not be bottomed out.
I don't think I've ever seen that before.
My primer seating results in the anvil showing in the cup. I dont believe that you can cause that mark and not be bottomed out.
To manly of a grip????I would not argue that....
I would also not argue that......
Consider this.Vista owns it all but they are run separately. There no Vista Manufacturing headquarters. Just a board room full of investors counting their $$$$ and how they can make more $$$$ on their private island
That is interesting. So, seating the primer sort of primes the primer.Yes.
Primers are shipped with anvil feet not in contact with priming compound (Likely done for safety reasons so primers won't detonate during hard shipping and handling and bumpy truck rides). Notice anvil feet sticking way outside the primer cup? To set the anvil tip against the priming compound, you need to not only seat the primer cup but deep enough for the anvil feet to slide up inside those cups.
Primer anvils come in different shapes and have different tips. When we seat primers, we need to ensure the anvil tips are properly set (contacting the priming compound) to reliably ignite the priming compound.
Color you see is really not the color of priming compound rather the color of barrier seal or sealant.
Yes they are way more sensitive after the anvil is set.That is interesting. So, seating the primer sort of primes the primer.
Yes, since primers are shipped with tip of anvil not in contact with the priming compound (Likely done for safety reasons during shipping/handling to prevent detonation), tip of anvil needs to be set against the priming compound during reloading process for reliable detonation.That is interesting. So, seating the primer sort of primes the primer.
My reloading manuals never explained all that. They just basically say to insert and seat the primer. I feel like I gained some secret wisdom.Yes, since primers are shipped with tip of anvil not in contact with the priming compound (Likely done for safety reasons during shipping/handling to prevent detonation), tip of anvil needs to be set against the priming compound for reliable detonation.
And since primer pocket depth can vary from number of reloading/firing and user modification, seating primer is a two-step process where initial resistance felt pushes primer/anvil feet down to the bottom of pocket and secondary resistance pushes anvil up in the cup to set tip against the priming compound. Depending on primer pocket depth, properly seated primer cup is around .004" below flush.
And I learned that secret here on THR from other members and some no longer with us ... RIP.I feel like I gained some secret wisdom.
Funny as that's exactly the opposite of the problem state earlier. Maybe I'm wrong both ways. I did test 5 cci srp in the same cases and had zero issues. I also had zero problems today. Every single one pictured shot zero issues. Based on the total number of issues and my sample size 5 in 1500 being bad is what it is.
Way back in the beginning of this thread, you showed a pic (#2) that looks like a light firing pin strike, now you show pics of primers that have "dimples" that appear to be from the anvil in mixed cases.
Have you changed your primer punch, or the button on the ram? Do you ream primer pockets?
a few other youtubers had the same issue with backwards bulletsWhoa! So it's a real thing.
Good gosh. Makes one wonder.
Changed nothing and the picture of the loads was from the same batch. I do shift from the large to small but havent changed over in 4 months due to not going to the big aka rifle range since fall.Way back in the beginning of this thread, you showed a pic (#2) that looks like a light firing pin strike, now you show pics of primers that have "dimples" that appear to be from the anvil in mixed cases.
Have you changed your primer punch, or the button on the ram? Do you ream primer pockets?