What is a home cast bullet like?

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Would someone please explain to me what the finished product from home casting bullets is like? Is it just a raw lead surface. Is it coated at all? Lubricated? Even plated or jacketed? Basically I am asking whether casting your own bullets consigns you to fouling your guns with lead unlike using plated or jacketed store-bought ammo.
 
Thanks, but you do realize you could have just told me the answer in the same number of words, right?
 
For hundreds of years, the vast majority of bullet offerings were bare lead.
There are still many factory offerings available today with lead projectiles.
If the bullet fits the bore properly and is lubed properly, there will be minimal leading in the barrel.

Here are some .44 Specials that I loaded with bullets that I cast and lubed with lube that I make myself.

I went shooting Thursday and put 70 Specials and 40 magnum loads through my Super Blackhawk.
The bore is not fouled with lead in the slightest.

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Huh?
You didn't even spend enough time to look at their website, sir!
Correct. I did not spend the three weeks it would take to find an answer to my question. I looked and saw an encyclopedia of information on topics totally beyond the simple question I asked. I could ask the question there, but I have already registered on three firearms forums this week. I'm at my limit for now. Done.

Seriously, I don't want a Ph.D. in bullet casting. I don't even want to cast bullets. I'm just curious and want to know the answer to my question. Not really a whole lot to ask.

Are you determined I need to look this up for myself?
 
For hundreds of years, the vast majority of bullet offerings were bare lead.
There are still many factory offerings available today with lead projectiles.
If the bullet fits the bore properly and is lubed properly, there will be minimal leading in the barrel.

Here are some .44 Specials that I loaded with bullets that I cast and lubed with lube that I make myself.

I went shooting Thursday and put 70 Specials and 40 magnum loads through my Super Blackhawk.
The bore is not fouled with lead in the slightest.

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Thanks, Paul. So do I understand that the answer to my question is that home cast bullets are most commonly lubricated bare lead or some lead alloy? Folks doing it at home are not getting jacketed ammunition?

It just seems a little odd that one can hardly buy anything ready to shot in 9mm that isn't jacketed or plated. So everybody who is home casting something different as far as bullets are concerned than folks who are buying bullets or fully loaded 9mm ammo. I find that very interesting. Sure there are some calibers where bare lead bullets in store bought ammo are more common than others like .357 magnum. But for 9mm, not so much.
 
the finish is just raw lead. the simplest method is to get a lee mold for tumble lube bullets. yu simply cast your bullets from wheel weights and lube with alox lube.this method works well with lower velocity bullets under about 1200fps.exceeding that velocity you will get leading. you can exceed those velocitys easily but will need to use gas checks.

pure lead is only for black powder use.

leading a barrel can be caused by many different things. too high velocity and poor bullet to bore fit are the most common.

for instance if your revolver has improperly sized cylinder mouths,it will lead the barrel badly after a few shots.

casting bullets and getting them to work properly in your particular gun can be quite a challenge.

the site the previous poster offered is the premier site for learning about cast bullets.

one could write a book here about casting and loading and it still wouldn't cover everything.

once yu get the hang of it tho,you can reload and shoot very cheap.
 
Yes, it is lubricated bare lead, and yes it is an alloy.
A bullet that was not lubricated would lead the barrel badly.
Pure lead is too soft for most applications. It does have its place like muzzleloaders, but for loading cartridges, you need it to be a bit harder than lead.
There is a scale called BHN that tells you how hard your alloy is. You can buy a tester to test the hardness at any of the online sporting goods outfits like Midway or Brownells.
Most of us use old scrap wheel weights from tire shops. They are generally the perfect BHN for the majority of applications. If you were loading for .454 Casull or rifle bullets, you may want something a bit harder.

You are correct that most autoloader ammo only comes in jacketed form, though you can cast for those as well.
I have cast thousands of .40 S&W and .45 acp bullets with great success.

However, the 9mm is a completely different animal. The 9mm uses a tapered case, which makes loading cast bullets for it problematic.
Some people have had success with it, but I had nothing but trouble, and I was not willing to spend the effort to figure it out. I would fire a couple of magazines and the lead fouling was so bad it was like I was shooting a smoothbore.
I sold my mold and I buy Berry's plated bullets for plinking with it now.
 
the finish is just raw lead. the simplest method is to get a lee mold for tumble lube bullets. yu simply cast your bullets from wheel weights and lube with alox lube.this method works well with lower velocity bullets under about 1200fps.exceeding that velocity you will get leading. you can exceed those velocitys easily but will need to use gas checks.

Agreed.
For .38 Special and standard velocity .45 Colt I like the tumble lube method. It's quick and easy.
Most of my molds actually drop the bullets to a diameter where I don't even have to size them, so it is great with the TL method.

In my .44 I load a lot of the Keith and Skeeter loads, which are approaching 1200 fps, so I do pan lube them with a concoction that I mix up myself. I also load the same bullet in full throttle magnums, so I do them all that way just for convenience.
 
The appearance of cast bullets is akin to silver and can be made in a myriad of designs rn,wadcutter,swc,hp and others that don't come to mind. Generally home cast bullets are much cheaper than store bought jacketed or cast bullets. Let's say you want to shoot 45 acp factory ammo is 40 cents per round with cast bullets can cut costs as much as 75%. Hopefully this has answered your question.
 
Sorry to read that you believe "now I know." You asked about "casting" but then also ask "Is it just a raw lead surface. Is it coated at all?" These questions suggest that you may want to expand your "kindergarten" inquiry to include swaging.
 
As cast they will just be bare lead alloy like these in the pic. Then you have to lube them. You can use a lubrisizer, tumble them in lube, etc. I tired these tumble lubed vs sized and lubed with a Redding lubrisizer and they shot a bit better sized and lubed.
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The other alternative to lubed home cast lead is coated. So if you don't want lubed lead home cast bullets you can coat them just like a lot of the bullet manufacturers do. This stuff is a polymer coating that bonds to the lead surface and is extremely slick. No lube needed and leaves the gun cleaner.

At least in a rifle, I see no real disadvantage to shooting cast bullets (gas checked) except that in most calibers you can't do a lot over 2000 FPS.
 
I'm glad someone mentioned powder coating. Truly a game-changing development for home-casters. The result practically rivals metal jacketed bullets as far as how hard & fast you can drive them without quickly fouling up the barrel (and they look cooler, too). No sticky bullet lube getting all over the place & collecting lint, either. Probably lower vaporized lead levels while shooting than FMJ bullets, too, though the casting process is still the real risk on that front.

Doesn't cost half a darn, either.
 
What “it’s” like depends, kind of like what reloads are like. They can be good or bad, better or worse.

Your questions are good ones but you also need to include caliber, loading, needs and use.

I cast and coat for a number of different calibers using this method.



For lots of stuff it’s hard to beat jacketed ammunition for best performance and accuracy but in an equal number of cases, on the other end of the spectrum using something other than cast is a waste of money.
 
I powder coat all my cast bullets. Also, a cast bullets surface look will change based on both temperature of metal/mold or alloy content. Some might be smooth and shiny and some might be grainy and dull. After powder coating they all look the same. No leading. Jacketed bullets are difficult to make at home, but I wish I'd had the scratch for that one that turns 22lr empties into 55 grain .224 bullets. :)
To me, casting/powdercoating is part of my shooting hobby. :)

PS - I shoot 9mm almost exclusively cast powder coated lead. ;)
 
BTW, you can buy cast bullets and coated Cast bullets from commercial vendors too. Lead bullets are not confined to home casting. The cast lead bullets usually come sized and lubed. The coated bullets do not require lube.

Here is one of those sites.
http://missouribullet.com

On that site there is an explanation on cast bullets and leading that will probably sheer you question. It's a short read with good information. At the bottom of the page there is some info on lead alloy.
http://missouribullet.com/technical.php
 
I don't powder coat (yet...), preferring to stick to tumble lubing to keep it simple while I learned the ins and outs of casting. I will eventually start powder coating for revolver bullets simply to reduce mess during a long shooting session. In the meantime, traditional cast bullets do 98% of everything I need. In my revolvers, 38 wadcutters are more accurate than anything jacketed I can buy (the only think comparable is the Berry's plated DEWCs). Rifle rounds are so accurate that I get 1" 100 yard groups without much trouble at 20% of the cost of buying jacketed bullets. My favorite 35 Rem cast round is actually considerably more accurate than factory offerings. Really, the only things I don't use cast bullets for are 9MM Mak (which I don't reload for at all) and long range elk rounds in 30-06 (my cast loads aren't really developed for much beyond 200 yards and where I go for elk the shots are often 300 yards).
 
The other alternative to lubed home cast lead is coated. So if you don't want lubed lead home cast bullets you can coat them just like a lot of the bullet manufacturers do. This stuff is a polymer coating that bonds to the lead surface and is extremely slick. No lube needed and leaves the gun cleaner.

At least in a rifle, I see no real disadvantage to shooting cast bullets (gas checked) except that in most calibers you can't do a lot over 2000 FPS.

Basically the polymer coating is a lube, just a different form of lube that encapsulates the entire bullet as it provides a barrier between the lead bullet and the steel of the rifle or handguns bore. I've used about every type of lubing process there is such as pan lube,which I don't do anymore or Alox tumble lube which I do with only one bullet I use for sub sonic loads because it's just so easy, traditional lube using a lubesizer and I also powder coat most all my bullets these days with just a couple exceptions just because I can and I like the end results.

If done properly leading in rifles and handguns never has to be an issue as long as you do your part correctly unless there is some issue with the gun that just causes it to happen regardless of how well you construct your loads for a particular gun. Leading has never been a issue regardless of the type of lube I used as long as I followed the mechanics of what makes the cast bullet work, not only in not causing leading issues but in performance accuracy wise as well as on game, for me at the ranges I shoot at and the type of plinking, target shooting and hunting I do there is nothing a cast lead bullet want do for me. There is a wealth of knowledge in reloading and cast bullet manuals, books and on internet forums that will explain all that in detail.

When I got my first 9mm semi auto shooting cast lead bullets in it was never an afterthought. I promptly slugged the bore and found I needed a bullet that was sized to .357" did my research to find out what weight and style of bullet was popular or gave the best result in a handgun that was basically designed around 124 gr, NATO FMJ ammo. I ended up with a NOE 124 gr. TC bullet that cast both gas check as well as plain base bullets as I like to have options depending on what alloy I'm using, the gas check version also works well in 357 Mag. loads with soft alloy. Needless to say it's a great bullet that feeds, functions and shoot very accurately in my 9mm handguns powder coated or using traditional lube.

As for cast lead in rifles I shoot cast lead bullets in all my rifle in all action types which includes my SKS and Mosin rifles as well as my old Sav. 30-30 and Sav.99 in 300 Sav. and my 45 ACP carbine if you want to count that. The only limitation with a naked lubed cast bullet is the twist of the rifles bore. As hard as we try to make our cast bullets perfect even though they may appear so to the naked eye they are not as structurally sound or balanced as say match grade jacketed bullet. Defects in cast bullet accentuate wobble, yaw and pitch as the bullet leave the bore and during flight, as the velocity increases with a given twist bore so does the RPM's imparted to the bullet and at some point along the velocity/RPM threshold the bullet will become unstable and accuracy will go south. With rifles with 1:10 twist bores 2K fps. is about the limit but I can push much heavier bullet with a nice meplat at that velocity and at the ranges I shoot and hunt at they get the job done. I can push some bullets in some rifles much faster and still retain accuracy but those rifle have much slow twist bores like my Sav. 30-30 which has a 1:12 twist bore I can push a 170 gr. RD flat nose bullet at factory 30-30 velocity but the bullet is only spinning at roughly the same RPM as it would be in a 1:10 twist bore at that velocity when it leaves the bore so it's still in the stability range. Honestly though I don't need that much velocity as 1800 to 2K fps. does just fine and kill game just as dead.

Current Mosin load I'm working on using traditional lubed bullets, I still have 8 grs. I can move up but I probably what get that as I'm right in the 1800 fps. range at the moment.
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9mm plain base powder coated bullets, I pretty much use 50/50 alloy with my 9mm and 45 ACP bullets.
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Some clear coated gas check version.
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