What is a sniper rifle....

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My question mark button isnt working so forgive my cheap computer. I posted a thread >> http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=375545 and someone found it in themselves to say that A remington 700 sps isnt a sniper rifle. I want to know what the you guys have to say about this. I already know it is but lets see what you think. Is the remington 700 sps a sniper rifle() My rifle is a 30-06 remington 700 with a highpowered mueller scope.
 
Any rifle that be made to hit a man-sized target out to 1000 yards I'd absolutely classify as a sniper rifle. The 700 certainly qualifies.


-T.


EDIT: Who said that? I didn't see anyone in that thread say such a thing.
 
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A sniper rifle is a precision rifle employed by a sniper.

If you are not a sniper, I would refer to it as a precision rifle or target rifle.
 
well a SNIPER is anyone who fires from a concealed position. with no prerequisites ofrange or accuracy.

some of the best snipers took most of their shots at what many people would consider "close range" 500 yards and less
 
I tend to agree with Hoppy590. Perhaps one of the most famous-or should I type infamous-snipers in modern times was Lee Harvey Oswald, the man who assassinated President Kennedy in 1963. Oswald did not use a precision rifle, nor did he fire from long range. Yet, his murderous deed earned him a place as one of the most well known snipers in history.

While different definitions of what constitutes a sniper and a sniper's rifle are possible, I prefer the simplest explanation possible on this topic. I hope this historical reference helps.


Timthinker
 
You guys call Oswald a sniper?

Lucky or patsy, I don't know but Oswald was no sniper.

Where's the old Websters when I need it?
 
If he did it, he certainly performed the act of a sniper. Three hits on a moving target at 80+ yards with a crappy rifle is hardly lucky.


-T.
 
Just because he was a bad guy doesn't mean he not a sniper. He struck from a concealed position, aiming to kill a single target and accomplished the task. Doesn't mean he particularly good at it, but the sniping did change the world.

The term sniper has probably been too specialised over time and associated with military men who go out and take out targets at long range under concealment, but when you come down to the root meaning of sniper, it takes in a wide range.
 
well a SNIPER is anyone who fires from a concealed position. with no prerequisites of range or accuracy.

So...Someone who shoots from 5 feet away with a P-22 is a sniper as long as they are concealed?
 
Actually, a snipe is a small, very fast bird. Those shootists who were able to make consist kills on snipes where called "snipers". Ultimately, the terms was adopted for military personnel who were adept at hitting humanoid targets. The first sniper rifles did not necessarily have heavy barrels. These first snipers were typical farm-boys and others riflemen. Later, formal training was created, dropped from the military and recreated. Becoming a sniper has been a pretty hap-hazard process until fairly recent history (compared to the age of the USA).

There is an old saying, "You are what you do, and you do as you choose to do." I am a shootist, perhaps a rifleman or marksman. I have never sniped at anyone. For my likes, I wouldn't want a sniper rifle. A target rifle would be nice, even settle for a varmint rifle if I had to. Don't have any desire for a sniper rifle. IMHO, you have a fine hunting rifle that if you practice enough would be a fine hunting arm, perhaps even capable of an Appleseed shoot to qualify as rifleman.
 
Remington seems to have at least 3 variations in the 700 SPS.

700 SPS - hunting
700 SPS Varmint - varmint rifle
700 SPS Tactical - police

Now almost any rifle can be used as a "sniper rifle", if it's accurate enough and the caliber is up to the task.

It is likely that the refinements in the 700 SPS Tactical (though minor) are what the person was trying to convey make this one a sniper rifle, as contrasted with the other two models.

Pure guesswork on my part. :)
 
The semantics are getting pretty thick in here, anyone up for some antics???

Too many seem to take the view that "sniper" has to mean waiting concealed for 3 days covered in a jedi made ghili suit to take one 1000 yd shot to circumcise a gnat with an uber-precision rifle that fires some sort of ultra match grade ammo.

In reality these people are referring to "trained as a Sniper". Or the precision tools used by a trained sniper. The tools of a trained sniper are somewhat specialized precision tools.

The reality is that anyone that fires any rifle from a concealed position is in fact a sniper, and by default the rifle used is also a "sniper" rifle. By this reasoning an SKS with a scope on it can be considered a "sniper" rifle - Its not a tool of a "trained sniper, therefore many would say it has no chance of being considered a sniper rifle. There is a semantic difference but I submit that both uses of the phrase are correct.
 
proto - it doesn't even really need to have a scope on it. If they're shooting from a concealed position with a rifle, they're a sniper.

Some of the first snipers used rifled flintlock muskets, although they weren't called snipers at the time.
 
Again, I think we need to keep our definitions of a sniper and a sniper's rifle as simple as posible. Think about the following for a few moments. If a crazed individual used a rifle to shoot people from a concealed spot, would you call him a sniper? I would. In fact, the term sniper is one of the first words that would pop into my mind. This is why I see no need to overly complicate the definition for such an act. I hope the preceeding example has proven useful for my case.


Timthinker
 
The Brady Bunch, and many in DC think a "sniper rifle" is any rifle that has a scope, could have a scope, or that has enough power to be accurate over 100 yards......

I suspect that discussions such as these only add fuel to their lunacy.
 
Given the blurring of word meanings in this wondrous modern world, IMO "sniper", "tactical" and "police" have become nothing more than marketing hype.

A rifle doesn't need an adjustable black plastic stock to be used in killing a person at long range. It doesn't need a heavy barrel when only one or two shots would be fired in any one effort.

There are beaucoup hunting rifles and target rifles nowadays which will perform quite well out to 800 and 1,000 yards.

If one looks at what our military is using in Iraq and Afghanistan, today, to achieve kills out beyond "normal" ranges, you'll find that the primary difference is the precision fit and finish of the internals. The appearance is not greatly different from what many of us use in hunting or target shooting.

I dunno. Given what goes into training a person to be competent as a military sniper, the rifle itself is almost incidental...

Art
 
well a SNIPER is anyone who fires from a concealed position. with no prerequisites ofrange or accuracy.

I'd be careful of this. This would include a huge amount of regular combatants under the umbrella of "sniper." If a unit ambushes another unit from concealment, then slips away, are those soldiers now snipers?

The reality is that anyone that fires any rifle from a concealed position is in fact a sniper, and by default the rifle used is also a "sniper" rifle. By this reasoning an SKS with a scope on it can be considered a "sniper" rifle - Its not a tool of a "trained sniper, therefore many would say it has no chance of being considered a sniper rifle. There is a semantic difference but I submit that both uses of the phrase are correct.

Sniper is a contested definition, so I'd agree to disagree here. Think of the concept of marksman vs sniper in the military. A highly trained sniper (Rangers, USMC, SAS, etc) would probably be offended to be lumped together in the same category as some teenage Arab taking wild pot shots at our troops.


As far as the term for rifles, I cringe when these mall-ninjas rush out and buy a Yugo SKS, slap a scope on it... then brag they have a "sniper rifle." You can argue that is correct, but it is like saying a Volvo is a race car because it can go fast. :rolleyes:
 
A sniper rifle is anything that the anti-gunners tell you it is. Afterall they know better.
 
A sniper rifle is a precision rifle employed by a sniper.

That pretty well says it.

well a SNIPER is anyone who fires from a concealed position. with no prerequisites of range or accuracy.

some of the best snipers took most of their shots at what many people would consider "close range" 500 yards and less

Right. Range is a matter of 1) need, 2) technology, and 3) skill, and so applying a distance is relevant to and influenced by many factors, but not deterministic of what is or is not a sniper. Police snipers working in urban environments rarely shoot beyond 100 yards. Snipers may or may not have military training before engaging in their activities. Snipers don't always fire from a concealed position, but may also fire from an open, but unnoticed or unreachable position. Some work from open and definitely noticed positions.

Art brings up the topic of the modern military sniper. Certainly their jobs go way beyond just precision shooting at long range. The Marines call their snipers, "SCOUT Snipers" as their jobs go way beyond that of just shooting. They serve in large part in intelligence gathering - scouting. In fact, scouting often constitutes the primary function of the Scout Sniper.

Of course, not all snipers are military snipers or police snipers.

For a great confused discussion of what constitutes a sniper, see ...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=271487&highlight=beltway+sniper
 
Depending on who you ask, a sniper rifle may be any rifle designed for precision distance shooting. This could include long range target shooting and even varmit guns. In my opinion, it's not the tool but the user that makes it such. As an example, if a shooter were to use a Marlin 270 and shoot someone at a distance, that gun just became a sniper's rifle.
 
The OP question was " What is a Sniper Rifle?"

A sniper rifle is a rifle that is built to optimal specs, to make consistent shots at greater ranges than small arms fire can produce. Most sniper rifles are accurized with proven components such as stocks, barrels, DBM systems,rings,bases and optics which are then put together by a qualified gunsmith.

A remington sps is not a sniper rifle, you can say so all day long kid till you're blue in the face. It's great that you and your friends are into shooting, that is a good thing but to argue the point that you are trying just proves who the air soft and paint ball kids are.
 
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