What is similar in size/price/value as a SCCY but in a DA/SA configuration?

[Walt Sherrill]

Re: DA/SA transitions, Cocked & Locked, and Striker-fired guns...

This is an assumption. That everyone learns at the same pace and also assumes everyone needs to take the followup shot as quickly as possible or attempts to take the followup shot as quickly as the next guy. It's the equivalent of saying new drivers shouldn't drive stick shift vehicles because they might forget to change gears.

I could make the argument that carrying "cocked and locked" is difficult for inexperienced shooters because they have difficulty remembering to engage/disengage the safety. Or I could make the argument that an inexperienced shooter carrying a stryker fired pistol is more likely to experience an accidental discharge due to the always lighter trigger pull and cite Glock Leg as proof. All are debatable points with real world examples to back up those arguments. In the end, purchase/carry what suits you and gives you the most confidence then properly train with that weapon to maximize your performance with it. All guns require some form of compromise and all require consistent, proper training and practice to master.

I made no comments about speed of learning -- there's a "learning" issue for anyone making a change.

Of course my comments were based on an assumption (or two).

Of course you don't have to shoot quickly. You can take your time. But in most real-life self-defense situations, taking your time may NOT be an option.

And, of course, cocked and locked is a challenge for many shooters -- particularly new ones. So is decocking a weapon, or otherwise making it safe, if there's no decocker mechanism.

But the DA/SA transition is an issue for many shooters. That's why I mentioned a striker fired gun. (Note: not all striker-fired guns have very light triggers. You can actually make those triggers heavier if you want a heavier trigger. Some of the striker-fired guns even have safeties.) But there's no TRANSITION ISSUE with most striker-fired guns, or with SA or DAO guns. The transition (with DA/SA guns) between the first and second trigger pull is a training issue, even if you learn quickly.

I spent a couple of years very active in IDPA. In that venue, you see a lot of shooters new to both competition and sometimes new to semi-auto handguns -- along with a lot of experienced shooters. At our club, the safety officers carried the timer, followed the shooters through the courses of fire, recorded the times, watched for rule or safety infractions, and scored the targets. I did that a LOT.

For NEW shooters and even those who were more experienced, the first group on target (starting with the first shot of the string) was frequently a bit larger when the shooter was using a DA/SA gun than other type of mechanisms -- if they started from hammer down. Not always, of course, but often.

Those folks, of course, shot as fast as they could or as fast as they felt comfortable. They COULD have thumb cocked a DA/SA gun for the start of the string had they wanted to... as long as they did it safely. But the pressure is on to do things more quickly. That might also be the case if you're trying to defend yourself.

Do the others here who shoot or have shot competitively (in the pseudo-combat games) see it differently? Feel free to add your comments and tell me I'm wrong.

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[Pukindog12]

Taurus PT111 Millenium G2.

 

[MICHAEL T]

The frame on a KelTec is the part with the serial Number .The polymer is the grip not frame .

Bersa 9mmUC excellent carry gun . Careful they make 10 round for states with 10 round limit. Many dealers will order and don't care if get a 10 round or 13.
My dealer had 1 of each last time . Only difference is the mag. But why unless law. Buy 10 when 13 same price.

Bersa also has a polymer single stack 9mm now.

Be a 380 polymer when US government gives final approval. They keep changing the release date. Should have been out months ago.