iomasterv41
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Beetle Bailey said:
Well I guess I have to give NY props for not counting thumbhole stocks ... never thought I'd see the day!
Too bad though the Dragunov is a great weapon.
What is the best CA assault rifle
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Well I guess I have to give NY props for not counting thumbhole stocks ... never thought I'd see the day!
Too bad though the Dragunov is a great weapon.
The only decision I still have left to make with my M1A is whether I should get the "scout" or the "standard" model. I keep thinking that for the range you would use a M1A that you'd be better off with the lighter weight of a shorter barrel.
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ghost squire
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Yeah I would go with an 18 or so inch barrel, seems to make the most sense.
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Hmmmm. Perhaps because everyone here knows exactly what type of gun he's looking for?
Buzztail
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+1 there for sure!!
Aside from that I'm going to have to suggest an M1A, or a Garand.
Squidward
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It depends...
Since I too live in CA I feel your pain. But, the answer depends on money, purpose, calibre preference, poser value, etc, etc...
.223- Mini 14 is expensive . Saiga has a 10 round .223 semi at about $290.00. The SKS is an acceptable option, but price/demand is rising. A company called FabTen is making a 10 round fixed mag AR clone.
308/30.06- Garand. If you really gotta have a detachable mag, SOCOM.
Since I mentioned the Garand, I want to put in a good word for military surplus weapons. They are battle proven, reliable and less expensive than other current offerings. Take a look at some of the websites, they may meet your criteria.
Since I too live in CA I feel your pain. But, the answer depends on money, purpose, calibre preference, poser value, etc, etc...
.223- Mini 14 is expensive . Saiga has a 10 round .223 semi at about $290.00. The SKS is an acceptable option, but price/demand is rising. A company called FabTen is making a 10 round fixed mag AR clone.
308/30.06- Garand. If you really gotta have a detachable mag, SOCOM.
Since I mentioned the Garand, I want to put in a good word for military surplus weapons. They are battle proven, reliable and less expensive than other current offerings. Take a look at some of the websites, they may meet your criteria.
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Yeah, while I wouldn't say that the M14 is overly long, it is overly long.... for its purpose. In actuality its a pretty compact gun in its original form, contrary to what most people think. I believe its only a few inches longer then an AR-15.
Nevertheless, unless you do want that forward optics capability I don't see the point in NOT taking off a few inches of barrel length. And as for the FAL, supposedly it really is way to long, and it looks it. Many professionals who have used it in combat have said that they would prefer a shorter barrel.
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Have you given the M1 Carbine much thought?
mags are never a problem so long as they arn't new manufacture.
You can have any mag you want so long as you bought it before the ban, and it is not marked with LEO or a production date.
they're evil to buy or sell however, and loaning your rifle to anyone at all if it has a big clip in it is a no no. you can't transfer posession in any way shape or form.
That being said, there's no way for anyone to tell where you got a pre ban, so keep your eyes open. *cough* ebay *cough cough*
You can have any mag you want so long as you bought it before the ban, and it is not marked with LEO or a production date.
they're evil to buy or sell however, and loaning your rifle to anyone at all if it has a big clip in it is a no no. you can't transfer posession in any way shape or form.
That being said, there's no way for anyone to tell where you got a pre ban, so keep your eyes open. *cough* ebay *cough cough*
10-Ring
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All things said & done, I would go w/ the M1A. Sure, off list lowers are available, but until anything is done, they will be 10 round assault rifles :banghead:
Get the M1a and build yourself a project AR for future use when they can be built up as AW
Get the M1a and build yourself a project AR for future use when they can be built up as AW
ryoushi
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I've got the off list lower. I just consider it my forged aluminum Screw Bill Lockyer Commemoritive Paperweight for now. For my assault rifle purposes I loves me Marlin 336 in 30-30.
GTKrockeTT
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+1 on the SOCOM.
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With respect to Saigas and Romaks, I thought all AK actions were illegal in the People's Republic.
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yes, it would be illegal...if it had detachable mags.
the only way arround the AR-15 stuff in Cali right now is to use an Off-List lower and fix the Magazine to where it requires a "tool" and "time" to remove. You can keep the pistol grip and flash hider in this configuration.
or you can remove the pistol grip and use detachable magazines.
There was a recent DOJ memo about all of the off-list lowers that have been flooding into the state. 30,000+ have been legally purchased thus far. It sounds like the DOJ is back peddling a little bit and trying to re-define stuff.
As for me, i will be sitting on my stripped off list Superior Arms lower until this stuff blows over.
the only way arround the AR-15 stuff in Cali right now is to use an Off-List lower and fix the Magazine to where it requires a "tool" and "time" to remove. You can keep the pistol grip and flash hider in this configuration.
or you can remove the pistol grip and use detachable magazines.
There was a recent DOJ memo about all of the off-list lowers that have been flooding into the state. 30,000+ have been legally purchased thus far. It sounds like the DOJ is back peddling a little bit and trying to re-define stuff.
As for me, i will be sitting on my stripped off list Superior Arms lower until this stuff blows over.
Squidward
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There's is a company that makes an AR clone called the Fab 10. It's a fixed 10 round mag that loads from the top after opening the upper. Kinda goofy and not quick to reload, but if you gotta have the 'look'....
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I cant beleive you guys forgot the Garand. Only the finest battle implement ever devised.
If you are OK smuggling hicap mags (which are legal to possess, just not to import):
-get an SU16 CA and secretly acquire 30 round mags without LE markings. This is illegal, so caveat emptor. You better have a good explanation for how you had these mags before 1999. If you were living in CA back then, just say you bought them before the ban went into effect because you thought you might want them later. Let them prove otherwise. If you werent living in CA in the intervening years, you shouldnt take this path.
Or, if you dont feel like smuggling mags, make every one of those 10 shots count. Get something with a lot of oompf and accuracy. Cartridge weight goes out the window since you will use so much less of it.
-308 Saiga
-Garand
-a semiauto with a welded gas port. You can make a straight pull AK by welding up the gas port. This is regularly done in the UK and the rifle ISNT semiauto so it can otherwise be a complete rifle with all the evil assault features that are banned on semiautos. Unfortunately you cant bring high cap magazines with you, at least not legally.
-a powerful and accurate bolt action or lever action (actually a lever action is nearly as good as a semiauto in terms of firing rate, although the reload time is crappy).
If you feel like living dangerously:
-CA legal AR lower with a 458 SOCOM upper and 10 rd 458 socom mags. Oh noes, are they 30 round AR mags or 10 round 458 socom mags? An interesting court case to be sure. Unless you owned a 223 caliber AR upper with your lower, I'm pretty sure you would avoid any charges on it. This could be an interesting way of importing a ton of 30 rd AR mags into CA, just to piss off the antis.
If you are OK smuggling hicap mags (which are legal to possess, just not to import):
-get an SU16 CA and secretly acquire 30 round mags without LE markings. This is illegal, so caveat emptor. You better have a good explanation for how you had these mags before 1999. If you were living in CA back then, just say you bought them before the ban went into effect because you thought you might want them later. Let them prove otherwise. If you werent living in CA in the intervening years, you shouldnt take this path.
Or, if you dont feel like smuggling mags, make every one of those 10 shots count. Get something with a lot of oompf and accuracy. Cartridge weight goes out the window since you will use so much less of it.
-308 Saiga
-Garand
-a semiauto with a welded gas port. You can make a straight pull AK by welding up the gas port. This is regularly done in the UK and the rifle ISNT semiauto so it can otherwise be a complete rifle with all the evil assault features that are banned on semiautos. Unfortunately you cant bring high cap magazines with you, at least not legally.
-a powerful and accurate bolt action or lever action (actually a lever action is nearly as good as a semiauto in terms of firing rate, although the reload time is crappy).
If you feel like living dangerously:
-CA legal AR lower with a 458 SOCOM upper and 10 rd 458 socom mags. Oh noes, are they 30 round AR mags or 10 round 458 socom mags? An interesting court case to be sure. Unless you owned a 223 caliber AR upper with your lower, I'm pretty sure you would avoid any charges on it. This could be an interesting way of importing a ton of 30 rd AR mags into CA, just to piss off the antis.
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You are limited to what is legal to purchase in the State, due to some silly AW laws that don't make a whole-lotta sense, considering you can get just as much or more firepower from weapons that are still legal to sell/own versus weapons that are banned. The laws are just feel good measure for the sheep.
Considering what is currently legal (i.e get them while you still can):
#1 - M1A Scout in synthetic (although this is ususally reffered to as a "battle rifle") I prefer the forged LRB receiver, combined with USGI parts. The M1A is a mans rifle and weighs in at around 8 pounds plus. Feel confident that you could drop just about anything within 400 yards pretty easily - with iron sights.
#2 - Keltec SU-16 (the best autoloading .223 available in CA), with the compact forend (the bipod seemed flimsy to me and it changes your zero). Add a red dot sight. This rifle is nice and light and it folds compactly for toting around town. Great blasting rifle for targets to 200 yards. Add a scope and I am sure it would be accurate enough at ranges past that.
#3 - Mini 14 rugged and reliable, but don't expect MOA groups. I blast about 4" groups at 100 with mine. Reliable mags are the biggest issue.
#4 - definitely pick up a off list lower - just to stick it to the DOJ. You can build it up later, or build it up as a SB-23 compliant rifle and you can have detachable mags. They are only a hundred bucks and depending upon what happens with the whole issue during the next year or two, you may have scored a weapon that will become a full fledged assault rifle. Who knows if this platform will even be legal once the white house comes under new ownership.
Considering what is currently legal (i.e get them while you still can):
#1 - M1A Scout in synthetic (although this is ususally reffered to as a "battle rifle") I prefer the forged LRB receiver, combined with USGI parts. The M1A is a mans rifle and weighs in at around 8 pounds plus. Feel confident that you could drop just about anything within 400 yards pretty easily - with iron sights.
#2 - Keltec SU-16 (the best autoloading .223 available in CA), with the compact forend (the bipod seemed flimsy to me and it changes your zero). Add a red dot sight. This rifle is nice and light and it folds compactly for toting around town. Great blasting rifle for targets to 200 yards. Add a scope and I am sure it would be accurate enough at ranges past that.
#3 - Mini 14 rugged and reliable, but don't expect MOA groups. I blast about 4" groups at 100 with mine. Reliable mags are the biggest issue.
#4 - definitely pick up a off list lower - just to stick it to the DOJ. You can build it up later, or build it up as a SB-23 compliant rifle and you can have detachable mags. They are only a hundred bucks and depending upon what happens with the whole issue during the next year or two, you may have scored a weapon that will become a full fledged assault rifle. Who knows if this platform will even be legal once the white house comes under new ownership.
rangerruck
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my first 3 choices woud be saiga, saiga, or saiga, if they will take an ak action. if not , then ruger mini 30, or lets get nuts and get a long tube , long bbl, win 30 30 lever, then cut about half of the spring off.
beerslurpy
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They have to specifically name every gun that is an AK or AR type weapon. It used to be a blanket ban but the CA DOJ got smacked down in Harrott v County of Kings because they tried to nail a lawyer for possessing a Saiga I beleive.
Kalashnikov USA Saigas are banned. I dont think the EAA ones were and I am 99 percent sure the RAAC Saigas are not banned yet because they are the new importer for Izhmash. So saigas are still the win.
Kalashnikov USA Saigas are banned. I dont think the EAA ones were and I am 99 percent sure the RAAC Saigas are not banned yet because they are the new importer for Izhmash. So saigas are still the win.
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