What is the most accurate handgun in no less than a .40 S@W

[Ghost Tracker]

I plan to buy a car with a V8. Which one do y'all think is fastest?

Forgive my naturally cynical response...but my first clarification to the above inquiry would be - "How well do you drive?". So, in your case, - "How well do you shoot?".

We live in a wonderous time to be a handgunner. 3", 5 shot groups @ 25 YARDS are commonplace from sandbagged factory guns. Above we see examples of custom guns that GUARANTEE half that size @ twice that distance. I greatly admire the quality & precision required to produce such a pistol. But to ask us which is MOST accurate...is like asking us which of us has the best-looking wife. At some point, the subjective far supercedes the objective.

Accuracy questions , like speed questions, are often answered by a question. Accuracy costs money, how accurate do you want to be?

 

[AllisonDT]

OK. Since I'm a newbie chick and I don't wanna be called a troll, I'll just say, "good shooting there, Rinspeed!"

 

[rcmodel]

I wouldn't rule it out in a Ransom Rest.

But hand-held?

Come on!
World-class match shooters can't even do that with a .45!


rcmodel

 

[Rinspeed]

Mmmmm, Rinspeed, are you sure that group was shot at 150 feet? Not calling 'BS' but that'd be the best 10-shot group that I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, any scoped rifle would be proud to print that group.....you're saying you shot this with an iron sighted handgun?

Come on, fess up sweetheart.

Sorry, I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted it. I did not shoot the group but it was in fact shot at 50 yards with a Les Baer UM with 1.5" guarantee. I'm sure it was in a Ransom rest.


If you're not familiar with the Baer 1911s Les was the first of the Semi-custom smiths to offer a guarantee of 1.5 inches at 50 yards. This was when most smiths were offering some sort of guarantee at 25 yards.

Now I'm sure there were other smiths and still are, especially ones building bullseye guns, that can build a gun that will shoot like this. Les was just one of the first to put it in writing on a semi mass produced 1911.

 

[BamBam-31]

Mmmmm, Rinspeed, are you sure that group was shot at 150 feet? Not calling 'BS' but that'd be the best 10-shot group that I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, any scoped rifle would be proud to print that group.....you're saying you shot this with an iron sighted handgun?

Come on, fess up sweetheart.

Sweetheart,

He never said he shot that group himself, although he may very well have. I have a similar test target for my Premier II Supertac w/ 1.5" guarantee, shot by Les Baer himself from a ransom rest. 10 shots, all under 1.5", at 50 yards, 150 feet, 1800 inches, whatever you want to call it. As said, it's GUARANTEED to shoot that accurately, eh?

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

CZ-75B in .40 S&W

Seriously, give it a try.

 

[PcMakr]

Mmmmm, Rinspeed, are you sure that group was shot at 150 feet? Not calling 'BS' but that'd be the best 10-shot group that I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, any scoped rifle would be proud to print that group.....you're saying you shot this with an iron sighted handgun?

Come on, fess up sweetheart.

Any average scoped rifle SHOULD print a 1 1/2" group, not at 50 yds.(150'), but at 100 yds.(300'). My Rem. 700, .308 will shoot 3/4" groups at 100 yds. with Hornady factory ammo. This was accurate enough for me, that I didn't feel the need to work up handloads for it to go hunting. If I was a benchrester that would be another story, however.

 

[BamBam-31]

I don't understand how people can offer up CZ's, HK's, etc., as THE most accurate handguns when they don't come with the type of accuracy guarantees LB's and RRA's do. Not saying HK's and CZ's aren't accurate--I've shot various USP's, and I own a 75b, a P-01, and an SP-01. All are wonderfully accurate offhand shooters (as are my Glocks, btw).

1.5" @ 50 yds., though, is just a whole different ballgame. When you miss with one of those, you know it ain't the gun.

 

[Ghost Tracker]

Yep, sub-MOA rifles @ 100 yards off a rest are pretty common. I have a couple of 'em. But remember...you have to group inside .5" @ 50 yards OR .25" @ 25 yards to be sub-MOA, with ANYTHING.

 

[BamBam-31]

Uh, isn't that math bass-ackwards?

 

[ZeSpectre]

I don't understand how people can offer up CZ's, HK's, etc., as THE most accurate handguns

Well I don't know about others, but I'm offering them up as the most accurate handguns that I have personally shot. Don't have much to say about the others as I've never even touched one.

 

[alucard0822]

Mmmmm, Rinspeed, are you sure that group was shot at 150 feet? Not calling 'BS' but that'd be the best 10-shot group that I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, any scoped rifle would be proud to print that group.....you're saying you shot this with an iron sighted handgun?

Come on, fess up sweetheart.

Not only do I belive that group is possible, I have seen similar groups at similar range from a ransom rest with a variety of high quality pistols. In fact it can be downright humbling. I was proud of the 2" groups at 25yds I got with my 4"686, untill it was chucked in the ransom, and I witnessed a 6 petal cloverleaf at 50yds Now I know it definitely isn't the gun.

And if you don't belive what a les baer can do at 50yds, look at their rifles, one of the range offiers at my local range took his les baer AR out of the box, slapped on a scope, and proceeded to shoot a 7shot .45" group at 100 yds off of bags with a cold(and new) barrel (measures CTC with calipers). If you are around Hap Baker in westminster, MD he will show you the target, rifle, and even may show you a live demonstration. I will never doubt anything any firearm with les baers name on the side is claiming again

 

[bluto]

Les Baer's do come with a 1.5" accuracy guarantee for 10 shots @ 50 yards out of a Ransom Rest. I just picked up my Premier II with the guarantee 3 weeks ago.

Attached is the test target that came with mine and my best offhand 10 shot group @ 25yds. so far with just 350 rounds down the pipe. I firmly believe that it's the Indian, not the arrow that makes for good shooting. But if any equipment can make you a better shooter, Les Baer pistols would have to be high on the list. These are fine, fine pistols. Beautifully crafted and well worth the money and certainly among the top few in accuracy. But for out of the box production pistols I'll still recommend the P220.

 

[Ala Dan]

I Will Play

in my hands, its a West German SIG-SAUER .45 ACP P220A~!