What is the most gun friendly state?

[Crashola]

I have no real complaints about Idaho. Although I'm a little disappointed in the number of states that will accept our CCW Permits. I have a friend who is an Idaho resident who did manage to get a Utah permit and his is recognized by more states.

 

[Thursday45]

It was referring to loaded weapons:

RCW 9.41.050:
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

I miss read it, it must be locked in the car. Still not required in MT though.

RCW 77.15.460 talks about loaded rifles in vehicles.

WA also keeps records on ammunition purchases.

 

[9MMare]

It was referring to loaded weapons:

RCW 9.41.050:
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

I miss read it, it must be locked in the car. Still not required in MT though.

WA also keeps records on ammunition purchases.

At Wally World? Really?

And it's your loss if you're dumb enough to leave your firearm iin plain view n an unlocked vehicle....I dont see that as a restriction that would affect me. I dont think that needs to be a law for most people, lol.

 

[9MMare]

How does 'keeping records on ammo sold' work?

I wasnt aware of that....I buy ammo online, I buy it at Walmart, I buy it as the local gun store occasionally....they record that separately and send it somewhere?

 

[Thursday45]

A restriction is a restriction and WA is more restrictive than MT.

What is WA definition of conceal carry? Would a gun in a backpack be considered conceal carry? Fanny pack?

 

[9MMare]

A restriction is a restriction and WA is more restrictive than MT.

What is WA definition of conceal carry? Would a gun in a backpack be considered conceal carry? Fanny pack?

You seem to have turned this into a pissing contest. I'm not defensive about WA St's gun laws. Nor were my replies.

You win the award! MT wins! @_@

Edit: If you interpreted my 'if you're dumb' enough comment to apply to you, then it was not meant that way. It was a general statement. As in 'anyone dumb enough' I guess I should have worded it that way.

 

[Thursday45]

I'm not the one that started comparing WA to Mt

It was brought up, I've lived in both states, so I offered some comments. No offense intended.

 

[radiotom]

Can somebody compare Arizona and Utah?

 

[Thursday45]

The Brady Campaign hates both of them equally

 

[Shaver]

Montana is pretty cool about guns but the best part is NO SALES TAX...If I buy a gun for say....$599.99 and give the store $600.00 I get a penny back..Plus I only have to travel a few miles to let the lead fly...

 

[Thursday45]

The only thing that concerns me about MT is our habit of electing Democrats. Even though most Democrats from MT would be considered right wing extremists in other places.

 

[Evergreen]

Evergreen,

Yea I don't know about that. The only time you need a conceal weapons permit in MT is if you're inside city limits. Everywhere else a conceal weapons permit isn't needed. I don't think that is the same for Washington. A conceal weapons permit is needed to conceal anywhere in WA. So in MT a person doesnt really ever have to get a conceal weapons permit. if you're in a city, just make it open carry and even then there are exemptions if you're passing through for hunting and other "outdoor" activities. You talked about leaving a gun in a car in MT, which is illegal to do in WA unless it's in a lock box. No such thing as a "truck gun" for WA. You also can't carry a loaded rifle in a vehicle in WA. That also includes ATVs as well I believe.

The exemption of carry in a place where alcohol is consumed is in regards to conceal carry so, again, a gun would not need to be left in a car, just make it open carry.

Except for the bar restriction on conceal carry in MT, WA appears to be more restrictive than MT.

Once you have a CHL in WA you have about the same amount (even more, perhaps) of freedom to carry as you do in Montana. The CHL in WA is as easy as going to the Sheriff and giving them a check and getting fingerprinted. Personally, I like having the freedom to carry while I am in a restaurant or even a coffeeshop that serves alcohol. That is a big strike against Montana for me. Also, I only like open carrying in the wilderness. Considering, I never saw anyone open carry a gun into a restaurant in Montana, I don't know how comfortable I'd feel doing that. I am a guy who doesn't like drawing attention to myself.

I have heard you could carry a loaded rifle in your car in Montana. When they say loaded, do they actually mean chambered? I'm assuming the WA law says you need to separate the rifle from the ammo and have the rifle cased. This means, if I needed quick access to my rifle I can still get it and load it. This is definitely a benefit of Montana, but still not as much of a benefit as being able to CC in restaurants. It is easier and quicker for me to load my cased rifle then to take out my CCW in a public place and put it in my car while I eat and then come back to my car and put back on my CCW.

Don't get me wrong about Montana though, it's a beautiful state. I enjoyed the Flathead and Bitteroot valleys and Glacier National Park. It is just that I feel I have more freedom with my gun rights then in Montana. I never have to worry about committing a criminal offense for walking into the wrong business that may serve alcohol here in Washington. I also never saw anyone open carrying in the towns of Montana like I do here in Washington. Although, I was only there for 3 weeks or so.

 

[savanahsdad]

wow 4 pages and no one said Wisconsin yet ?

first off , any state that lets local laws over ride state laws is not a gun friendly STATE,, IMO , I would hate to think that if I cross a county line or city limits line I would become an outlaw, a friendly STATE should be the whole STATE.

WI :
CCW =, tazers, stun-guns, clubs, knives, pepper spray, handguns,and no 1000' gun free zone with a CCW, but you can't on school grounds , just up to it ,

open carry ok with one in the tube, but not in bars , or gun free school zones,
open carry in cars OK ,fully loaded (cock & lock)

no CCW class IF you have past a Hunter safty class or you have served in the military

Full auto friendly.

Supperssor friendly

gun show friendly

high cap friendly


not sure how we got a score of 3 from the morons at brady same as FL ?

 

[Black Butte]

The South Side of Chicago.

 

[mljdeckard]

The main edge AZ has over UT is that they beat us to Constitutional carry.

For me personally, I would have to weigh two opposites. Utah allows carry in schools, but allows churches to list themselves on the BCI web site as off-limits to carry. The only one that has done so is the LDS church. So, if you are LDS, as I am, you can carry to pick your kids up from school, but not to church. AZ is the opposite. You can carry to church, but not to schools. So the question becomes, would I rather carry at school or at church?

 

[razorback2003]

Utah, New Hampshire, Alabama, Mississippi. All those states you can carry LEGALLY in K-12 schools and of course colleges with the appropriate license.

 

[mljdeckard]

(And I grew up 4 miles from the AZ border, I have spent plenty of time in both. One of life's simple pleasures is to head out to the AZ strip with three days' worth of supplies, and just see what happens.

 

[Thursday45]

Evergreen,

I will have to do some checking to see MT supreme court rulings but the statute in question references "rooms" and I think there's a reason it doesn't say "building". My interpretation, restaurants are fine, bars not so much. Ill do some checking and see if the courts have ruled. Ive never had an issue carrying in restuarants but I'd be exempt anyway so ive never worried about it. Also from my reading the definition of "conceal carry" is different between the two states. Washington says that it is concealed if it's on your person while MT specifically says "covered by an article of clothing". So stick it in a back pack/ fanny pack you're good. The point being, whether you decide to go OC, or put it in a backpack, you'd never have to leave a gun in the car.

There are no regulations in MT regarding to rifles in vehicles. Loaded or unloaded. It's hard to compare MT and WA CCW laws when in MT you don't need a CCW in 90% of the State. And even inside city limits you don't if you're going hiking or something.

I was born and raised in Seattle. I still consider it home, but having lived in MT for 5 years now, I have to say it's more "gun friendly". I am surprised though just how gun friendly WA is.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

WA also keeps records on ammunition purchases.

No, it doesn't. Not sure where that idea came from. Gun shop lore?

 

[Thursday45]

Cesiumsponge,

I apologize, I havent figured out the "quote" feature yet. According to the Brady Campaign info WA does. It also says that there is an "extended 3 day limit for background checks"

In MT, I've never had to go through a background check when purchasing a firearm. Is it the same in WA? If you have a CCW they waive the background?

 

[Voyager]

Can somebody compare Arizona and Utah?

Arizona is tied with Alaska as the worst(meaning the best)gun control states in the union! 0-points granted from the Brady campaign.

 

[Outlaw Man]

A couple years ago I made a spreadsheet comparing all 50 states' gun laws (CCW, NFA ownership, etc), assigning numerical values compared to a "perfect score," based on what was most important to me. It was a pain in the arse to maintain with all of the law changes, so it's long since out of date (i.e. no inclusion of Wyoming's Constitutional Carry), but at the time Alaska was at the top with Arizona slightly behind.

If I remember correctly, I counted off a tad for Vermont since they didn't have a CCW permit available - meaning a resident couldn't carry in another state without a non-resident license. It also means they can't use their permit instead of a NICS check.

I wish it was up to date...

 

[Cesiumsponge]

A NICS check is mandatory on all firearms purchased on a 4473 at a FFL across the entire country. There are no additional special background checks in WA state to my knowledge. I've only ever seen/heard gun store employees call NICS. I am not aware of any "extended 3 day limit for background checks". I don't even know what that is and since I don't run a gun store, I can't vouch for what additional regulations a FFL dealer must follow. I believe there is a state-level 5-day waiting period for handgun purchases but the period is waived with a CPL. I've always had a CPL so I've never experienced this.

I don't even know where the ammo record thing comes from. Not even CA and NY have that kind of legislation. Thursday45, you said you lived in Seattle, WA. Did you move away before you were of legal age to purchase a firearm?

 

[Thursday45]

Cesiumsponge,

Your guess is as good as mine. my info is from the Brady Campaign but I wouldnt accept their word as gospel. It's listed though in their study.

I moved out of Seattle when I was 23. The NICS check is not mandatory for MT:


45-8-330. (Temporary) Exemption of concealed weapon permittee from federal handgun purchase background check and waiting period. A person possessing a concealed weapon permit is:
(1) considered to have a permit constituting completion of the background check required by 18 U.S.C. 921 through 925A; and
(2) exempt from that act's 5-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun. (Subsections (1) and (2) terminate on the elimination of federal statutory or case law requirements--sec. 5, Ch. 408, L. 1995.)

Like I said, I've never had to have a NICS check when I purchased any of my firearms in MT.

 

[Ehtereon11B]

I would say VT. Having lived there for about 6 years, I amassed almost all my firearms living there without any issues buying or carrying. Was quiet the pain when I wanted to go to NY or NH with no VT permit.