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What is the most gun friendly state?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by radiotom, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. JohnM

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    Thing is, there's never been such laws in Wyoming.
    We're battling the carry in schools thing right now. but some teachers here are as badly misinformed as everywhere.
    That Brady thing is a joke. They need to be belittled and harassed as often as possible.
     
  2. Sam Cade

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    Some states allow CCW/CCDW license holders to skip the check at the point of sale.

    In KY you fill out the 4473, flash the card and walk out the door.

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/brady-law/permit-chart.html
     
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    We have the same system here, one of the reasons some here get the regular state permit card, even though you don't need a permit anywhere inside the state.
     
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    Neat, I was not aware of that. Thanks for the knowledge; I stand corrected! The feds don't mind it? Or there isn't anything they can do about it?
     
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    A background check is required prior to the issuance of a CCW/CCDW in most states. Presenting the license proves that the carrier has already been vetted and isn't a prohibited person.
     
  6. Thursday45

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    Sam Cade,

    Yea I don't know the process of acquiring a conceal weapons permit in MT. Mine was given to me when I was hired by my employer so I've never gotten one the traditional way. Reading the application process there is no mention of a background check though. But having never gone through the process I can't say for sure.

    It's really nice though especially in times of panic not having to worry about hold ups because of the amount of NICS checks going on.
     
  7. Thursday45

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    Is Salt Lake City liberal leaning like most all major metropolitan areas?
     
  8. Evergreen

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    There is virtually no waiting period in WA for guns. I have purchased various rifles and handguns in WA or have had them transferred via FFL and I have never had to wait more than 10-15 min. The only longer wait I had is when I bought an rifle at Wholesale Sports during the gun rush after the AWB news and even then the check was just 25 minutes.

    The only waiting period is for a handgun and that is only if you don't have a CHL. If you have a CHL you walk out the door with it usually within 10 or 20 mintues (as long as the federal NICS check takes). The only reason they do this to people is that the state government wants their $50 or $60, because Washington doesn't have a state income tax.

    It seems MOntana has less restrictive laws in regards to those who don't have a permit, but considering how easy it is to get a CWP/CHL in Washington, I find it a moot point. Not having a NICS check is a great thing, however, are you sure about this? They told me Idaho didn't have a NICS check when I lived there for Idaho CHL holders, so then I buy a gun at the Cabela's Black Friday sale and what do they do? A NICS Check! I said, hey, I have an Idaho CHL, I paid the money. They told me they still had to run the NICS on me, but don't store any records. I was very confused.

    Montana also has its fair share of liberals who are imports like here in Washington.

    Montana actually has way more taxes than Washington and the cost of living is about equal, but the wages are just a fraction what you make in Washington. Hence, why I decided to live in Washington over Montana. As both states have a lot going for them scenery and culture-wise.
     
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  9. Thursday45

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    Evergreen, I obviously struck a nerve. That wasn't my intention. I'm not sure what taxes and scenery have to do with whether a state is gun friendly or not. I give WA credit, it's way more gun friendly than one would believe with King County being found within its borders. If I still lived in WA I'd be very comfortable with its gun laws, I just wouldn't say it's more gun friendly than MT that's all. Me saying that I believe MT is more gun friendly isn't me saying WA is not gun friendly. Again, I'd have no problem living in WA as far as gun laws goes. I left Seattle for it's other..... Issues :)

    We'll have to hold discussions on taxes and cost of living for another thread ;) I disagree btw.
     
  10. mljdeckard

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    SLC does lean more to the left that the rest of the state. They consistently cough up psychotic mayors, because it's the only seat the dems can consistently control in the state. (The last one tried to defy the state's pre-emption law by banning OC, it didn't last long.) It's heck and gone from say, Chicago or NYC, but yes it is notably more liberal than the rest of the state.

    This is why most of us live close enough to visit, but far enough away to not have to live with the crazy. Out here in Tooele, I'm 20 min from SLC to the east, but there's nothing but desert playground between me and the NV border 100 miles to the west.
     
  11. Thursday45

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    Thanks mljdeckard. Missoula is the same way. I would say Montana is more libertarian than either conservative or liberal but Missoula is as liberal as they come though. What is it about large cities being left leaning?
     
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    Right on brother! No permit system, open or concealed carry with no issues (stay away from Rutland though!).

    Fill out your 4473(?) and off you go! Lock and load and stick it in your pants.

    God I love Vermont!
     
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    Arizona gets my vote.
     
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    Out here, it is where they concentrate because they can't get a toe hold in the rest of the state. There are other liberal clusters, most notably National Park towns like Springdale and Moab, where uranium mining dried up overnight and there was a vacuum to be filled by mountain bike guides and salespersons of various art forms whose appeal is far beyond my uncultured palate. But they are too small to have a lot of impact.
     
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    I would have said Pa until some ''whack job'' is trying to introduce a AWB. Time to get out my pen set again and burn up some emails.
     
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    One funny quirk about Utah, when open carrying you are supposed (last I knew) to have an empty chamber under the hammer and the next round into rotation with a revolver, and an empty chamber with an auto pistol.

    Weird. Hope they have done away with that.


    I thought that was interesting, that Wy was given brownie points by brady because they had a law on the books that was basically the same as the federal law, dealers have to keep records? Feds can inspect records by fed law, not sure why its mentioned that local LE can inspect dealer records in Wy.
     
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    I noticed that too, and i copied a quote from the Maine state consitution

    "Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned."

    pretty bad a$$ i must say.
     
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    Re post #118-

    Get a permit and don't worry about it. The law pre-dates our carry laws, and permits are so easy to get, no one has thought it was worth it to change it.
     
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    Why should I or anyone else have to get a permit to carry just to avoid a weird law? I don't need a permit to carry in other mountain states, so never got one. It would seriously suck to get in trouble (if one didnt know about it) over a law nobody thought was important enough to change, even when realizing it was weird. Utah is in fact pretty good in most regards, just that one little quirk that keeps it from being as truly gun friendly as most mountain states.

    While you guys are working on the constitutional carry, get them to toss out that old empty chamber(s) law.
     
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    Then don't. Live with the law.
     
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    This thread seriously needs a list of criteria. Could have settled the issue on the first page and been done with it. Thursday and Evergreen could have avoided their feud, because neither Montana nor Washington would be in the top five. :neener:
     
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    Maybe the Top 3 :p

    In reality, there isn't a lot of 100% gun friendly states... Perhaps Alaska.. Even the state of Vermont, that people loved so much on this thread I hear is trying to issue Assault Weapon Bans in their larger cities, which aren't too large, considering it is in Vermont.


    I will say, if you are a person with a collection of 50 Short Barrel Rifles or if you must have a loaded rifle in your truck, Washington is obviously not for you.

    What I was trying to say, is Washington is probably the most gun friendly state where you can be surrounded by amazing scenery, endless outdoor activities and actually find a good paying job and an affordable place to live. In turn, this will help fund your gun hobby and bring inner happiness and joy.

    Trust me, part of me would love to just pack my bags and live in the wilderness of Montana, Utah or Wyoming if it was feasible.
     
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    As a person who has lived in or traveled to most of these United States in the last decade, AZ is the single best place to be an in-resident or visiting gun owner, shooter, hunter, and CCWer in my experience. Two get honorable mentions, AK and VT. Anything beyond that and you're jumping through unnecessary state level hoops.

    Full disclosure: After reading multiple responses to the beginning of this thread from those biased toward their own less than gun-friendly states, I did not read the other 100 or so replies. I get it, and I used to be one of these folks until a little travel changed my mind.
     
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    I was just messing with you man. I lived an hour north of Seattle from age 4-18, then again for a year when I was 22, and I loved it there. I still love Washington, and if I could move everything I have (including school, job, church, friends/family, everything but Arizona itself) to that same part of Washington, my God I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've seen a lot of America; not most of it, but I've been to each of the four corners, spent time on each coast, time on both the northern and southern borders, and spent time in the midwest. I've been to Germany, Ireland, Turkey, Kuwait, Qatar, and Iraq. There's a lot I haven't seen or experienced, but I've seen and experienced a whole lot more of the world than the average American in his mid-twenties.

    Washington is, IMVHO, the most beautiful place on Earth.
     
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    YOu are right about Washington being the most beautiful place in the world. On a clear day in Tacoma seeing Mount Rainier towering on one side and the jagged, snow-capped Olympics over the Puget Sound on the other side still has me struck with awe. I have seen the Matterhorn in Switzerland and Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania with my own eyes, but I still enjoy the view of Rainier from my house even more.

    I hope you come back.

    I am a bit biased in writing this as I feel the more gun friendly people who come to Washington will make the state even better and more gun friendly. Many of us dream of living in some exotic places where you can open carry your loaded rifles anywhere you go, but sadly, not many of these places you can make a living and survive with a majority of jobs out there. Washington is a state that still has a strong economy, as well as a lot of jobs in the white and blue collar sectors. It is a gun friendly state that does not have overly restrictive gun laws. That in my mind, makes it the friendliest, as people who are not retired or wealthy, can actually feasibly move here.

    The more Washington resident High-Roaders the better. :D
     
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