What is wrong with people??

[98C5]

Angry patron shoots up Hooters

A customer who was upset over his tab fired several shots into a Hooters restaurant, leaving a manager and another patron in critical condition Saturday, police said.

Police were searching for the man, who left on foot just after midnight, Lt. Kenny Miller said.

Managers asked the man to leave after he refused to pay his bill, according to Miller. The man went outside and started firing shots from a .40-caliber handgun at the building, Miller said.

A customer leaving the restaurant and a manager inside were in critical condition Saturday at the University of Tennessee Medical Center.

No other details were immediately available

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/29/restaurant.shooting.ap/index.html

Man, tempers are getting short these days.

 

[General Geoff]

taken from the Pink Floyd song:


"If you should go skating
on the thin ice of modern life
dragging behind you the silent reproach
of a million tear-stained eyes
don't be surprised when a crack in the ice
appears under your feet
you slip out of your depth and out of your mind
with your fear flowing out behind you
as you claw the thin ice..."


Simply put, the human condition is far too complicated in today's modern world for many people to function their entire lives, without inevitably "snapping." Call it lapse of judgment, or whatever, but it's a side effect of modern society.

 

[Vermont]

I am not convinced that this is a modern problem. There have always been people like this guy. I would be willing to bet that sometime in the 1800s, a saloon patron refused to pay his tab, walked outside and started shooting up the place.

We have almost global media now, so every time something like this happens, we hear about it, whether it is down the street from us, across the country, or on another continent. 100 years ago, I would never have heard about this story because it would probably have only showed up in local newspapers.

 

[omcjf]

There has to be a special place in hell reserved for idiots like this.

 

[kid_couteau]

In the 1800s the rest of the saloon patrons would have opened fire and killed him. End of problem. Also an example.

Kid

 

[doc2rn]

Media what can I say about that anti- run establishment....nothing that is THR.
People have been shooting at each other for decades. It's just that the neuterred sheeple have come to live in that sophistication/ modernization bubble. It must really smart, when the bubble breaks.

 

[Hoppy590]

people just think they are too important

how dare you cut ME off in traffic
how dare you step on MY shoes
how dare you insult ME
how dare you charge ME 6$ for a beer a hooters ( or w/e the bill was)

people need to pull thier heads outta there own ends. sure its ok to get upset, we have all had to deal with erroneous bills when out to eat but move on with it.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I am not convinced that this is a modern problem. There have always been people like this guy. I would be willing to bet that sometime in the 1800s, a saloon patron refused to pay his tab, walked outside and started shooting up the place.

Except then someone would have shot back.


So how about it TN people..

Is CCW allowed in places like this or this this another "gun free zone"?

 

[hankdatank1362]

Have you guys had the food at a hooter's lately?


There'd probably be more people flipping out if it weren't for the waitresses in hot shorts.


Hooters food... bleah!

 

[chipperi]

So how about it TN people..

Nope Hooters is off limits they serve Alcohol. No guns make you safe there...NOT!

 

[Mtnvalley]

So how about it TN people..

Is CCW allowed in places like this or this this another "gun free zone"?

Nope. No firearm carry anywhere that alcohol is served for consumption on-premises. We can't carry in most restaurants save fast food and Cracker Barrel.

If we only had an intelligent "51%" law like some states I know of...damnit.

 

[Brian Williams]

What's wrong with People...

You mean you haven't figured that out yet...

 

[makarovnik]

I hate it when a restaurant overcharges, mis-advertises or charges for drinks that I never received. Some people think a business license is a license to rip people off. I also love it when they provide crappy service then build in a 15% gratuity into the bill. Then they try to have you arrested when you don't pay the gratuity part of the bill. Shooting up the place is going overboard but sometimes shooting ketchup or mustard all over is appropriate.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

In the 1800s the rest of the saloon patrons would have opened fire and killed him. End of problem. Also an example.

Precisely. The ways of the Old West make more sense than the naiveté of today. In those days, you saw a problem and dealt with it. Today, all that happens is the cries of, "Someone ought to do something about that!"

Woody

If you want security, buy a gun. If you want longevity, learn how to use it. If you want freedom, carry it. There is nothing worth more than freedom you win for yourself. There is nothing more valuable to that end than the tools of the right that make it possible. B.E.Wood

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Precisely. The ways of the Old West make more sense than the naiveté of today. In those days, you saw a problem and dealt with it. Today, all that happens is the cries of, "Someone ought to do something about that!"

Amen Brother!

 

[ROMAK IV]

These things happen because there is no fear of reprisal. That is "the modern problem": i.e. no shortage of potentil unarmed victims.

 

[Mtnvalley]

Well, the uninvolved customer who was shot has now died. The manager is still in critical condition.

They have a pretty detailed sketch of the BG and it's getting plenty of media exposure, so perhaps he'll turn up soon.

 

[SomeKid]

Had something very similar happen in my area. Cops showed up pretty quickly (surprisingly) and actually had the balls to kill the troublemaker.

 

[.38 Special]

Back in my paramedic days I ran a call where a drunk in a bar had gotten angry with a barmaid who refused to give him his car keys. He pulled a gun, whereupon someone cracked him on the back of the head with a pool cue and killed him stone dead.

The cops and medics weren't actually cheering out loud, but that was only because there are certain standards of decorum we were expected to maintain.

The moral, I suppose, is that there is still at least some hope for western civilization.

 

[Ultima-Ratio]

Internet Cowboys--------(Romantic Fantasy?)

Originally Posted by kid cuoteau
In the 1800s the rest of the saloon patrons would have opened fire and killed him. End of problem. Also an example.


I disagree gentlemen, in real life both in history and today any place anywhere, most people are watchers/sheep. Sadly even cops fall into this wide generality, most spend an entire career without firing their weapon, listen to a scanner sometime, some cops will always be busy when the call comes.

 

[BlackBearME]

*sigh* deplorable.

It's things like this that give the antis fuel. And they take it and jump on it. Too bad everytime they print one story about a nut with a gun, they don't print 79,999,999 more stories about the people with guns that did absolutely nothing noteworthy. But alas, that wouldn't make good journalism.

On a better note, however, I'm going to have to go this Hooter's:

Managers asked the man to leave after he refused to pay his bill, according to Miller.

1) Refuse to pay bill (probably obnoxiously)
2) Get asked to leave
3) Profit!!!

 

[Mtnvalley]

Well, I can't call this a "happy" ending as the whole incident was tragic, but it appears the perp won't be hurting anyone anymore, and we won't be spending our tax dollars to support him. Cops had to shoot him when he wouldn't put his gun down.

http://knoxnews.com/news/2007/dec/31/police-officers-involved-shooting-man-may-be-suspe/

It may be worth noting that the guy had been in and out of jails and mental institutions for most of the last ten years. I dunno if this is material for the gun control lobby to play on a wider scale, or not. "The system failed yet again, he was both mental and a felon, yet he had no problem getting guns!"

Knoxville doesn't typically rate much national media attention, even with particularly evil crimes (Google the Channon Christian case for an example). This will probably fly low as well.

 

[Mtnvalley]

Dupe, sorry.

 

[21H40]

Shooting back

In my TN CCW class the law was explained to only apply to imminent threats. In other words, if he fires and then turns to leave you cannot legally kill him.

I imagine it all comes down to how much you've got in your legal SHTF fund. If you've got tremendous wealth, then by all means save the cops the trouble, if not, use your skills in first aid for gunshots and sucking chest wounds.

CCW doesn't always mean justice (even in TX). It just helps even some of the odds in an unfair world.