What is your favorite western?

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I had a Fanner 50 with the newer plastic bullets and metal spring loaded cases. After a while the plastic would wear down and wouldn’t lock in the case but you could buy just the plastic bullets. It was my only defense against my older brothers.
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I loved that gun !
 
I’m pretty sure I have a pic of me at 5 yrs wearing shorts, t shirt, cowboy boots, and sporting my fanner 50. I am going to look for it. My hat was out of character as I wore a Davy Crockett coon skin cap. But that was the west at the time. That’s how we rolled back then , deep in the heart of Dixie.
 
This all reminds me...,,
It was the Spanish west. Zorro. That show was a major event at my house.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050079/mediaviewer/rm171028480

God I loved Zorro... here is something I found years ago.. Oh heavens I wish I could have been at DisneyLand on one of the Zorro days. They can not invent time travel to soon.





Not to go to overboard but I would be happy and proud for my Bride to have Guy Williams baby ...
 
I’m pretty sure I have a pic of me at 5 yrs wearing shorts, t shirt, cowboy boots, and sporting my fanner 50. I am going to look for it. My hat was out of character as I wore a Davy Crockett coon skin cap. But that was the west at the time. That’s how we rolled back then , deep in the heart of Dixie.

Do you remember back then going into stores armed to the teeth with your toy guns and the clerks asked to see your toys... Not to make sure they were real, but to play with them.
 
hell yeah, and my gun shot a bullet that could put your eye out. yes i had a bb gun when i got older but it was a single cock like a red ryder. my brothers got a 22 pump crossman pellet pistol and the other got a 177 co2 rifle. that co2 would go thru a garbage can. we carried them everywhere. we lived in a very small town with woods everywhere and would have shoot outs across a creek. nobody ever lost an eye but everyone got hit sometime or other.
a funny side note. the worst wound i remember was when my oldest brother had a cellophane pack of bbs in his pocket when he got kicked in that spot by a mule. it pushed the bbs right out of the pack and his whole upper leg was black and blue.
 
Man, a flood of memories....
Where I lived at the time was on the edge of town , a town that was already small and my oldest brothers best friend’s parents owned a good sized piece of land. They kept a pair of mules, jack and joe, and ponies. They also boarded ponies for neighbors. They didn’t like me on the property because I was always getting hurt on the property. But.... you could sneak in over the back fence and catch one and ride it without bridle or saddle. You just jumped off when you were done. I still have a two inch scar in my back from playing pony express but with a variation. Instead of getting off the pony we would grab a vine and hold yourself in the air while someone lead a new pony under you. These girls were teasing me and held the vine way out which meant I grabbed it lower than normal and I swung off the pony. Well I was so low that my butt dragged the ground and my back hit a chopped off tree root from when they made the trail. Ouch ! They had made smooth trails so they could hook up the mules to a sled made from small pines, in the winter when it snowed, which it did even in Alabama , two or three times a years. Good times!
 
I had a Fanner 50 with the newer plastic bullets and metal spring loaded cases. After a while the plastic would wear down and wouldn’t lock in the case but you could buy just the plastic bullets. It was my only defense against my older brothers.
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I loved that gun !

Yep!! I had a pair of them!! Those were the best toy revolvers ever!!

Mike
 
No love for "little big man" or " Dances with wolves"?

"Dances with Wolves" was pretty good, not great. "Little Big Man" was .... entertaining, but really much more an artifact of its time (and altering feelings toward the Vietnam War) rather than a honest attempt at a western. Custer was not a deranged psycho who went batty at the Little Bighorn. He was arrogant and impulsive, but hardly had the market cornered in the 19th century American army. Oh, and the Dustin Hoffman character was total fiction. No one survived among the five companies of Seventh Cavalry that rode into history on Custer Hill on that Sunday afternoon.
 
"Dances with Wolves" was pretty good, not great. "Little Big Man" was .... entertaining, but really much more an artifact of its time (and altering feelings toward the Vietnam War) rather than a honest attempt at a western. Custer was not a deranged psycho who went batty at the Little Bighorn. He was arrogant and impulsive, but hardly had the market cornered in the 19th century American army. Oh, and the Dustin Hoffman character was total fiction. No one survived among the five companies of Seventh Cavalry that rode into history on Custer Hill on that Sunday afternoon.

Of course. But they were still.entertaining films. And technicly westerns.
 
"Dances with Wolves" was pretty good, not great. "Little Big Man" was .... entertaining, but really much more an artifact of its time (and altering feelings toward the Vietnam War) rather than a honest attempt at a western. Custer was not a deranged psycho who went batty at the Little Bighorn. He was arrogant and impulsive, but hardly had the market cornered in the 19th century American army. Oh, and the Dustin Hoffman character was total fiction. No one survived among the five companies of Seventh Cavalry that rode into history on Custer Hill on that Sunday afternoon.
When we get caught up in historical accuracy, period correctness, and philosophical discourse, the entertainment value diminishes considerably...
 
" No one survived among the five companies of Seventh Cavalry that rode into history on Custer Hill on that Sunday afternoon.

Except for Private Gustave Korn

He was in I company , which was one of the 5 companies that rode with Custer.
C, I & L companies were to lead a faint towards the Indian village through Medicine tail coulee and take some of the Heat off of Reno. Korn's horse will take the bit in his teeth and when the 3 companies stopped at the Little Big Horn rivers edge, Korn and mount kept going. They went through the river and the Indian village up to Reno hill where his horse will drop dead. Korn will survive the battle but will be killed in 1890 at the Wounded knee battle.

Here he is holding Comanche .. Another survivor..

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The story of his ride..

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2881&context=facpub
 
Except for Private Gustave Korn

He was in I company , which was one of the 5 companies that rode with Custer.
C, I & L companies were to lead a faint towards the Indian village through Medicine tail coulee and take some of the Heat off of Reno. Korn's horse will take the bit in his teeth and when the 3 companies stopped at the Little Big Horn rivers edge, Korn and mount kept going. They went through the river and the Indian village up to Reno hill where his horse will drop dead. Korn will survive the battle but will be killed in 1890 at the Wounded knee battle.
........ The story of his ride..

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2881&context=facpub

I've done a great deal of reading about The Little Bighorn and never heard about Korn. I have read about Frank Finkel, who claimed to be the "sole survivor" of Custer's Last Stand. The problem is Finkel's story can be neither proven or disproved. While his narrative is interesting, I cannot myself claim he lied, but I do doubt it's veracity. I have serious doubts as the fighting was so intense. THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON presented a near totally wrong picture of the battle, but most historians do believe they got the intensity of the battle fairly accuratly.

I'll have to do a bit more research on Korn.

Keep in mind that there were more people who claimed to be the "only survivor" than there were men in those five companies of Seventh Cavalry.

EDITED TO ADD: A book I own, THEY RODE WITH CUSTER, does list a Gustave Korn with I company. However, it states that his horse bolted and was killed, and Korn joined Marcus Reno on Reno Hill. Technically, one can argue he really was not with Custer on Custer Hill, he survived because he took refuge on Reno Hill.

I'll see what if anything else I can dig up about this when I have more time.
 
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Back on Target here a set of movies that I do not remember if they have been mentioned

the 1960s Alamo with the Duke ..

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Or sure some historical inaccuracies but Come on man.. Its Got the DUKE!! and did you see the gun Richard Widmark carried..

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And Darn it the 2004 remake was no slouch either

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Gustave Korn , 7th Calvary, company I. We will never know the true story. He claims he was with Keogh just before they heard firing and he had dismounted to cinch up his saddle. His horse was spooky anyway, by second hand accounts, and ran off with him as he re mounted. Custer’s actions with other companies were not known by Keogh at this point. Korn’s horse ran downhill , across the river and into the Indian camp. He did not regain control until he was thru the camp and headed toward Reno’s position. He fought with Reno not Custer. The sole survivor was “Comanche” , Keogh’s horse, who Korn cared for (since he was a farrier, and you would think he was a good hand with a horse) until his death ( Korn’s not Comanche ) at Wounded Knee. Comanche never worked again and lived a good life occasionally marching in parades in full gear but riderless.
There is only Korn’s story and a few supporting second hand accounts [ edit : by this I mean second hand accounts of what he had told them, not what they saw or knew first hand except like “yeah, that horse was kinda skiddish “ ] but since we don’t know for sure Custer’s movements how can we credit Korn when we know he actually fought with Reno and Benteen, not Custer. I don’t buy the story but am at a loss as to why he went thru the village if he was scared in the face of up to 2500 Indian warriors. In any event he was not present for the massacre of Custer’s position according to his own and the official reports. Ironically he was killed in the army massacre of Indians at Wounded Knee. So instead of calling him the sole survivor I think a better fit is “the one that got away”.
 
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Except for Private Gustave Korn

He was in I company , which was one of the 5 companies that rode with Custer.
C, I & L companies were to lead a faint towards the Indian village through Medicine tail coulee and take some of the Heat off of Reno. Korn's horse will take the bit in his teeth and when the 3 companies stopped at the Little Big Horn rivers edge, Korn and mount kept going. They went through the river and the Indian village up to Reno hill where his horse will drop dead. Korn will survive the battle but will be killed in 1890 at the Wounded knee battle.

Here he is holding Comanche .. Another survivor..

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The story of his ride..

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2881&context=facpub

I read the article and found it very interesting. There are many inconsistencies though and I still lean in the direction as Korn saw escape to Reno as the only viable way to survive. However it does appear that he fought with Reno and in other battles with distinction and duty. In one excerpt and interviewer says,
He spent much more time discussing the reasons why the Seventh Cavalry was defeated, speculating on the number of Indians in the engagement, arguing that the warriors were better armed than the troopers, and relating how "one of our lieutenants" shot an Indian marksman. In the end, Korn credited his survival more to his magnificent horse than to any other factor. The badly wounded animal carried the trooper perhaps four miles.
Korn knew that Reno's companies were attacking the village, meaning that the men should be near the camp.If his horse fled in that direction, Korn had a chance ofjoining them.
He omits cinching his saddle but it is included in almost every other version. Conjures up old westerns where a cowboy is fiddling with his saddle or saddlebags just stalling to get the drop.
His own story changes.
From a good friend
When Custer went in the fight June 25th, Korn was in Custer's command, and he was appointed orderly for Capt. Keogh. The horse took the bit in his mouth and he was unable to hold him back. He ran down the hill and crossed the creek to the Indian vil- liage [sic] on a big plateau on the west side of the creek, ran up the creek and got into Reno's command. . .. This is the story that "Yankee" Korn told me himself. George Lisk

A rapid ride brought us in sight of the Indians, who seemed to be retreating. I was ordered to ride a little ahead, to the Beecorn [Bighorn?], a small stream in our front, to ascertain whether it was easily passable, as my horse was a fine runner. The entrance to the stream was not in good order, but the other shore was excellent, and I was turning to go back to my comrades and report the condition of the stream, when immediately
in my front the Indians opened fire from the tall grass where they had been concealed.I was not wounded, but a rifle ball struck my horse's neck and rendered him unmanageable. I was carried away toward Maj. Reno's
position, and to that accident I am indebted.
As far as can be verified, the Milwaukee Sentinel interview was the only formal statement Korn gave, but there are other firsthand sources that support his description of events.
When Chicago's Daily Inter Ocean reported Korn's death, "a former member of the old Seventh Regiment" sent a "Special Tele- gram," which the newspaper published onJanuary 7, i8gi. The unnamed fellow trooper told about Korn and his experiences: "Poor fellow [Korn], he was the sole survivor of the Custer massacre on the Little Big Horn River in i876."
Korn rode, as is often the case in the service, a chronic runaway, a horse with an iron mouth and, besides, he was a cribber or wind-sucker. At the last half before the direct movement was made on the portion of the Sioux village designed by General Custer for his attack, Korn noticed that his saddle girth was loos- ening up, caused by the side of the cribber he rode relaxing as they always do after a couple of hours of ride. Korn knowing the temper
of the beast he rode, requested permission
of gallant Keogh, his troop commander, to dismount and regirth. It was given and just as he loosened the girth, the command passed clown the column to move forward. An old cavalry horse, as a rule, will raise a fearful
row if being left by the troop, and the vicious brute poor Gus was trying to regirth was
no exception to the rule, for he made things lively, but Korn succeeded in swinging into the saddle and headed for the column, now a long way off and moving at a rapid trot.
His horse taking the bit in his teeth and his chin on his breast, pulled out on the dead run. Korn soon saw that he was powerless
on the back of the vicious beast. He hoped that the horse would stop on overtaking the column, but he did not. He kept on, and in
a short time was in the center of the Indian village, and going like a train of cars clown hill. The Sioux opened up a fearful fire on the horse and rider. The horse was struck, but, only maclclenecl by the stinging lead, he fairly flew. A crevice in the dry prairie directly infor my life.

so right there Korn says his horse bolted from being shot and he was ordered to the front.
Everybody else says the horse took the bit in his teeth and bolted after being left back apace and kept going, to Reno not the Last Stand.

In a second letter to Camp, Jones wrote that "Sergt. DeLacy accused him of deserting the Com- pany (I) telling him that Capt. Keogh would prefer 'General Charges' against him. Korn could scarcely speak when we met him, his voice trembled and seemed to choke when he uttered these words, 'My horse ran away with me.' I never heard him say any more on the subject." Jones continued, "There was too much excitement and confosion at that time to go into details as to where he left Custer's Battalion and the way he took to reach our pack-train." "I know he had a very fractious horse, hard mouthed and very stubborn, used a No. 4 bit (largest size) Korn was a
man ofa nervous and excitable tempermeut [sic] aud fortunately his unmanageable horse ... carried him
to safety."
If Korn’s horse bolted uncontrolled, it happened way before it got shot. There was also a alleged remark by Custer himself for Korn , as he whizzed by, to shoot his horse and remain with the unit. But the fight had not started. The Indians that shot Korn’s horse had been fighting Reno. However the Indians that Custer would fight were in sight and Korn saw them
there are many other points that could be argued but we will never know. Thanks for bringing this up I am enjoying the research.
My revised opinion is that Korn was smart enough brave enough, whether or not fluent in English, to know the impending disaster and that the only way out was to join Reno. I wouldn’t consider him a deserter though, just preferred fighting and living to fighting and dying. Thanks again.
 
Does the "Gunsmoke" series count...cuz Matt Dillon was the sh#t. I do like most of Clints stuff, The Outlaw Josey Wales comes to mind. Good stuff
 
Ok back to movies. I just watched a BBC documentary that kinda played like a movie. Lots of live action . It might be a good watch for all y’all.

 
I don't know if they have been mentioned yet but I have two number ones: "The Wild Bunch" with William Holden, Ernest Borgnine and Warren Oates is a great western along with "El Dorado" with John Wayne and Robert Mitchum. I would rather watch the older movies when men were men and the acting was professional and classy. Too much political correctness inserted into today's productions in my opinion. Plus, I don't want to give my money to people who support causes and a party that wants to deprive me of my 2nd Amendment rights.
 
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