What just happened to California?

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Ammo registration?
Pass a background check ?
Pay a fee to buy ammo?
No importing ammo?

Wasn't the 1986 Volker/Mcclure act, that also banned further class 3 manufacture and import, also billed as not having to sign to purchase ammo??

Hitler had ammo registered before he came for the guns that shot them....(?)German 1934 gun control act?


So what just happened?
 
Not to mention, I saw on the news that some places posted signs that California hasn't set up the system for ammo yet, so they aren't selling any ammo at all. Which means as of midnight Jan 1st, all legal ammo sales came to a halt. I am hoping that has changed, and they are doing it now, but it's a little scary how they just stopped everything dead in the water for law abiding citizens. Criminals can still get all they want.
 
armoredman said:
Not to mention, I saw on the news that some places posted signs that California hasn't set up the system for ammo yet, so they aren't selling any ammo at all. Which means as of midnight Jan 1st, all legal ammo sales came to a halt. I am hoping that has changed, and they are doing it now, but it's a little scary how they just stopped everything dead in the water for law abiding citizens. Criminals can still get all they want.
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I think the problem is with stores that sell ammo but are not licensed to sell guns. But I believe gun stores and ranges are fine. Personally I'm moving to Arizona.
 
Yuck.

Here in Nevada, Cali is less than 30 minutes away from me, things aren't nearly as bad yet. But we've got seem really stupid tax and processing laws recently enacted that really makes it expensive to buy a gun located out of state. I had to pay my dealer something like $105 for my last transfer. The normal FFL fee, an ADDITIONAL $20 for the ridiculously redundant Nevada background check, and then you have to pay Nevada sales tax on the gun! Insane.

It's all these little things that add up. It got California. Frankly I don't think there's any recovery, they are one step away from total confiscation. THEY LOST. We just have to keep our ears perked up to avoid the same fate... that goes for all of us.
 
This is what happens when we let our guard down.
When kids aren’t taught history.
When adults have no interest in learning history.
When people don’t vote.
When uneducated people vote for celebrities and what is cool or hip.
When people don’t exercise their rights.

What’s happening in California is exactly why the 2nd Amendment exists. The people there have the right to exercise it and remove these treasonous politicians and judges but they choose not to.

Sadly I see the same thing happening in Virginia and I’m really scared of what’s coming after our last election. Worse, I’m not sure how we get people to rise up to fight for our Constitutional rights. I hear the opposite and know of activists being paid by colleges actively campaigning to eliminate the Constitution, but instead of charging them with treason, those of us who have been raising the warning have been attacked and treated like the problem.
 
They slip these little bills in... right under the door, when you turn to check your cell phone, not paying attention... SNEAKY...

Then next thing you know, CALI HAPPENS.

Guys, keep your heads on a swivel. They won't stop. Don't get complacent. Write your congressmen!
 
The history of nations and the world as a whole has an uncanny tendency to self-correct its gravest mistakes. Eventually, one way or another all restrictions, bans and laws go the way of Weimar Republic / the Third Reich gun control act and Soviet comprehensive gun ban. They cease to exist. All you really have to do is wait, but if you do nothing, there will be consequences meanwhile. If the history has taught something, it's that the more the powers that be want to take away your guns, the more vigilantly you should hold on to them. No-one can ever predict exactly why, but this principle has proven itself without a fail.
 
Hmm, title of post accentuates things as if there was no previous warning. People in CA sure knew about it and many of the 2A media sources had plenty of stories on it for the past few months since passage.

Along with that list posted above of how this could happen, add not watching news sources more closely. This should not be a surprise at all. This should have been regret and sadness of it's final imposition. However, there is light on the horizon - for lawyers, at least. There will likely be a lot of suits over it.

Keep your head up, in the near future there are hundreds of sealed indictments for criminal activity to be opened in CA alone, and that will undermine those who imposed this. I suspect more than one district will be forced to appoint people to replace them, much less CEOs who discovered they can't fly out of the country. There have been numerous arrests over the holidays.

As for how that information is out there, well, you can't just sit and watch CNN all day, because they are covering it up. There is a declared National Emergency on RIGHT NOW and yet nobody is discussing it. If you want more info - search Twitter using the hashtag #qanon.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Problem with California is the majority of folks there are in favor of all their gun legislation. They prove it by reelecting the same folks that make those decisions and vote for anti-gun referendums. The more pro-guns folks that leave the state, the worse it's going to get.
 
buck460XVR said:
The more pro-guns folks that leave the state, the worse it's going to get.
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True. The bright side is that the more draconian legislation is enacted, the sooner everything will fall. Once people who could think for themselves realized what was happening behind the iron curtain and there was little they could do to change it, they defected. The same sinking ship principle that's taking place in CA right now, except that the state is still financially sound. Once the state government expands its control over main industries, finance/insurance/IT/etc., raises taxes and - possibly - implements new restrictions between itself and the rest of the US, it's doomed. My crystal ball is still a bit cloudy but I'd wager a bet that they will. Once a (state) government is powerful enough to get intoxicated from its own propagandistic hyperventilation, in a delusion that citizens can't do a thing without government intervention and the state would be better off ignoring constitutional rights, the situation will escalate very quickly.

Guns are just the tip of the iceberg, but a great litmus test of what to expect in near future.
 
caribou said:
Ammo registration?
Pass a background check ?
Pay a fee to buy ammo?
No importing ammo?

Wasn't the 1986 Volker/Mcclure act, that also banned further class 3 manufacture and import, also billed as not having to sign to purchase ammo??

Hitler had ammo registered before he came for the guns that shot them....(?)German 1934 gun control act?


So what just happened?
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Well Dope smokins leagle. That apparently made the voters happy (and giggly). Time for the rest os America to start prying on that fault line and see if we can knock them loose.;)
 
The people that voted, got what they wanted and it didn’t happen overnight for them at all.

Too bad we can’t force them to stay in the mess they have made. Instead it’s citizens, like cancer and spreading out to other States and start the process over.
 
i wish all of you people in those bad states would come on over to the rest of us and let those states just die off.
 
The problem with California is that politics are controlled by San Francisco, Silicon Valley, and Los Angeles proper. There are a great many people in the Central and Northern part of California that are unrepresented due to their lack of population as compared to the metro areas (even though their population is substantial) and many of the people in these unrepresented areas are "conservative" not necessarily my definition of conservative. However, many from those areas are moving away from California for the very reason they have no representation and the state they grew up in is taking freedoms away from them at every turn, and 2nd Amendment freedoms is just one of the many (i.e. delta smelt before farmers for water rights, laws restricting home schooling, energy compliance with what you can and can't do with your home and property, regulating well water on private ground, immigration above safety of citizenry, release of inmates due to fiscal and judicial irrersponsibility, and I could go on and on).

So we must be careful when we say they did this to themselves (they is much to broad a term for this situation), or they voted these restrictions in, as we could find ourselves in the very same situation with the liberal metropolitan areas of our own states dictating the direction all in the state must go. The last hope for California gun rights is the organization CalGuns, it's size is the only determining factor in rebuffing these draconian laws.

It is true, as my friend just talked with his FFL family member down there recently, that with this new law, the DOJ for California is dragging it's feet establishing the system to permit ammo sales. So until the DOJ gets that established FFL's cannot without breaking the law sell any ammo to individuals. But I'm sure the DOJ has everyone working on that problem...:thumbdown:

This can happen to any state (yes you read that right) that has 60-70% of it's population in metro areas I believe, metro areas breed liberal, freedom stripping, and governmental dependent policies.
 
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When you go to vote, bring three people with you and have them each do the same.
 
buck460XVR said:
Problem with California is the majority of folks there are in favor of all their gun legislation. They prove it by reelecting the same folks that make those decisions and vote for anti-gun referendums. The more pro-guns folks that leave the state, the worse it's going to get.
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Actually most people are uninformed and don't care.

In Virginia, there was a reporter killed live on TV near Roanoke. Her fiance then decided to run for the House of Delegate to avenge her death and to support Bloombergs gun agenda. He moved from Roanoke to Blacksburg to do it. Once he realized that the district was 1/2 bleeding heart in Blacksburg, and 1/2 good old boy "gun loving redneck... etc" he quickly changed his tune.

The short story is that I know several folks that voted for this guy because he played games, he said the right things to the liberals in Blacksburg and convinced enough moderates that he wasn't as bad as he really is.

The sick thing was that he defeated a very good young up and coming Delegate who did a lot for the district. Worse, the Gov, Lt Gov and AG were elected and all are in line with Bloomburg's gun restrictions. Add to that that the House of Delegates may fall and we have a VERY BAD situation because people here didn't see what was going on, and because many didn't care to learn.
 
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The problem with California is that politics are controlled by San Francisco, Silicon Valley, and Los Angeles proper. There are a great many people in the Central and Northern part of California that are unrepresented due to their lack of population as compared to the metro areas (even though their population is substantial) and many of the people in these unrepresented areas are "conservative" not necessarily my definition of conservative. However, many from those areas are moving away from California for the very reason they have no representation and the state they grew up in is taking freedoms away from them at every turn, and 2nd Amendment freedoms is just one of the many (i.e. delta smelt before farmers for water rights, laws restricting home schooling, energy compliance with what you can and can't do with your home and property, regulating well water on private ground, immigration above safety of citizenry, release of inmates due to fiscal and judicial irrersponsibility, and I could go on and on).

So we must be careful when we say they did this to themselves (they is much to broad a term for this situation), or they voted these restrictions in, as we could find ourselves in the very same situation with the liberal metropolitan areas of our own states dictating the direction all in the state must go. The last hope for California gun rights is the organization CalGuns, it's size is the only determining factor in rebuffing these draconian laws.

It is true, as my friend just talked with his FFL family member down there recently, that with this new law, the DOJ for California is dragging it's feet establishing the system to permit ammo sales. So until the DOJ gets that established FFL's cannot without breaking the law sell any ammo to individuals. But I'm sure the DOJ has everyone working on that problem...:thumbdown:
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This is why I'm for electoral colleges for all state wide and national offices. I think our Presidential election showed that the electoral college works and it ensures that a few cities don't control who governs us.
 
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