what Kind Of Pistol?
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My guess is a .40SW Glock 22 with a 22-round magazine (+1 in chamber). Pure speculation, though.
Obviously, the cop wasn't outgunned if he was still standing after the fight and the bad guy wasn't. There is more to effectiveness than just capacity.
Obviously, the cop wasn't outgunned if he was still standing after the fight and the bad guy wasn't. There is more to effectiveness than just capacity.
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Jeff Cooper had a saying about that sort of thing: "You are only outgunned if you miss."
A picture in this article seems to bear out Fishbed's guess.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...e-long-record-including-witness-intimidation/
A picture in this article seems to bear out Fishbed's guess.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...e-long-record-including-witness-intimidation/
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MICHAEL T
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Looks loaded in picture. Pistol was stolen few months before. Sister saying he had a Carry permit . With his criminal record .How could that be. 
MedWheeler
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^^ Plenty of arrests, but no prohibiting convictions.
Still, I'd like to actually see that permit.
Still, I'd like to actually see that permit.
Winkman822
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I vote this one. He has great trigger discipline, BTW.Or he was just lying so people wouldn't question his carrying a gun
shiftyer1
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I have a 30 round drum laying around for my 1911, with aftermarket magazines you really can't narrow it down my mag capacity.
Magazine capacity doesn't settle who is outgunned or not. It's a false assumption. Fishbed had it covered.
Why are we discussing the political event when the real question is "Does mag capacity mean superiority in a gun fight?" The real answer is no - and the evidence are all the shootouts where revolvers or less than ten round magazines were used. Even in "mass shootings."
The media focus on high capacity and counting the number of rounds has very little to do with actual handgun fights on the streets. I'm not questioning volume of fire - but that isn't exactly the same as capacity. During the Revolutionary War when most guns were single shots, tacticians still had volume of fire - by coordinated shooting with ranks of riflemen.
When revolvers were the norm some carried TWO. It was called the New York reload, and there were small of the back holsters worn specifically for it.
In 3Gun there is now an AR lower which automatically ejects the magazine when empty, to speed the reload. I expect someone to come up with the same for an auto pistol. If you have practiced and carry 10 6 round mags you could put 60 bullets downrange in the same effective time span as another person loading three - because nobody just stands there blazing away High Noon style. You shoot, move, and communicate with your partner - and the other guy isn't about to stay out in the open either.
Nope, about the only time you get fire superiority is when there are ten of you on full auto with 30 round magazines AND an additional full auto machine gun ripping thru a 100 round belt. Then you can put a dent in return fire.
It still boils down to, NO, the cop wasn't outgunned. He shot and prevailed. He HIT HIS TARGET, and ignoring shot placement in the equation means ignoring the whole point of disciplined marksmanship. For an example of that, NYC has provided them when half a dozen cops surround a subject and start blazing away hitting bystanders and each other. Volume of fire can be pretty indiscriminate - which is EXACTLY the reason we downsized the combat rifle and added more ammo - because bullets indiscriminately whizzing around on the battlefield are just as likely to hit the enemy before he was even targeted. He walked into it.
"Outgunned" is not what happened here at all.
Why are we discussing the political event when the real question is "Does mag capacity mean superiority in a gun fight?" The real answer is no - and the evidence are all the shootouts where revolvers or less than ten round magazines were used. Even in "mass shootings."
The media focus on high capacity and counting the number of rounds has very little to do with actual handgun fights on the streets. I'm not questioning volume of fire - but that isn't exactly the same as capacity. During the Revolutionary War when most guns were single shots, tacticians still had volume of fire - by coordinated shooting with ranks of riflemen.
When revolvers were the norm some carried TWO. It was called the New York reload, and there were small of the back holsters worn specifically for it.
In 3Gun there is now an AR lower which automatically ejects the magazine when empty, to speed the reload. I expect someone to come up with the same for an auto pistol. If you have practiced and carry 10 6 round mags you could put 60 bullets downrange in the same effective time span as another person loading three - because nobody just stands there blazing away High Noon style. You shoot, move, and communicate with your partner - and the other guy isn't about to stay out in the open either.
Nope, about the only time you get fire superiority is when there are ten of you on full auto with 30 round magazines AND an additional full auto machine gun ripping thru a 100 round belt. Then you can put a dent in return fire.
It still boils down to, NO, the cop wasn't outgunned. He shot and prevailed. He HIT HIS TARGET, and ignoring shot placement in the equation means ignoring the whole point of disciplined marksmanship. For an example of that, NYC has provided them when half a dozen cops surround a subject and start blazing away hitting bystanders and each other. Volume of fire can be pretty indiscriminate - which is EXACTLY the reason we downsized the combat rifle and added more ammo - because bullets indiscriminately whizzing around on the battlefield are just as likely to hit the enemy before he was even targeted. He walked into it.
"Outgunned" is not what happened here at all.
The Bushmaster
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My isn't he a good lookin' choir boy...Punk!!
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The gun or bullets carried by an adversary doesn't always determined who is "outgunned". Training, discipline, and mindset carry the day most often.
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