RNB65
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My SP01 is my favorite handgun. It's a reasonably priced handgun that fits my hand well and has been 100% reliable since I've owned it. It's also the most accurate handgun I own.
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What makes CZs so great (an honest question)
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stevereno1
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They'r accurate, and comfortable to shoot, they are unique in the way that the slide matches up with the frame. They are no match for the glock 17 in terms of reliability, but they are accurate, and fun to shoot if you keep them clean.
I would say the same about my SP-01.
I own several CZ rifles and have always been impressed with their accuracy and fit/finish. It was natural, then, when it came time for a new 9mm to try a CZ pistol and I got the SP-01. It lived up to the rifles’ reputations and now I own three more CZ pistols.
Master Blaster
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I have a Pre B 85 which is now referred to as the combat.
Mine has MRI Minneapolis Minn. on the side, I was told that Magnum Research Intl. was the very first importer of CZs after the wall fell. Mine is DA and cocked and locked SA, you have to decock with your thumb on the hammer, and the trigger. I picked it up a couple years ago and it looked unfired. I have found it to be very accurate and reliable. It seems to like any 9mm ammo I shoot in it, lead hardcast, JHPs etc.
They are accurate and well made guns.
Mine has MRI Minneapolis Minn. on the side, I was told that Magnum Research Intl. was the very first importer of CZs after the wall fell. Mine is DA and cocked and locked SA, you have to decock with your thumb on the hammer, and the trigger. I picked it up a couple years ago and it looked unfired. I have found it to be very accurate and reliable. It seems to like any 9mm ammo I shoot in it, lead hardcast, JHPs etc.
They are accurate and well made guns.
ieszu
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I have one the CZ 40P's... and wish I could get another! I carry it all the time, shoots great and other than the first round, never a FTE.
Got mine custom done by CZ... OD green frame and Blued slide....
Because of it, I got one their CZ-97B's, and have never looked back. I own others, but if my life was on the line, I know what I will carry.
Got mine custom done by CZ... OD green frame and Blued slide....
Because of it, I got one their CZ-97B's, and have never looked back. I own others, but if my life was on the line, I know what I will carry.
Although I own only one CZ, an 82 in 9x18mm Mak; I have to concur with the above posts in singing praises for the pistol. I got in on C&R for under $250.00 into my hand. Used, but in very good shape, no dings,scratches and looked like it had been shot very little. The ammo is somewhat hard to find but on the plus side, it will shoot the Russian stuff with no problem(designed that way). I plan on getting more in other cals.
Smitty42
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My first handgun was a 75B; shortly afterwards, I bought a P-01 for a carry gun. Sometimes I think of buying another handgun or two and always, a CZ gets into the top 3 of my what-to-get-next list. My two have been 100% reliable through hundreds of rounds of range shooting and they both fit me well. The 75B is more accurate than the P-01 in my hands, but I like shooting them both equally well. I bought the kadet .22 kit and fitted it to my 75B; I wish it would fit both guns equally well, but it will require some more filing to fit the P-01 and I'm not sure that it would then still work Ok with the 75B.
Fishman777
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CZs are nice , but aren't we forgetting someting???
I think that it is great that so many people love their CZs, but I'd like to point out that while they are going to be awesome for some people, they will not be the best fit for everyone. I've shot a CZ 75 and felt that it was pretty nice, but there are several other pistols that fit me a lot better. I agree with one of the earlier posts about the Beretta 92fs. I agree that the 92fs is a better pistol.
With factory or even mecgar magazines, it is one of the most reliable autoloaders ever produced. A lot of people feel that the 92fs grips are too big. Well, for people with smaller hands the Beretta 90two is a great alternative to the 92fs. The 90two is the next step in the evolution of the 92fs. People complained about how big the grips are for the 92fs, so Beretta improved the ergonomics with the 90two. They addressed a lot of other concerns that people had about the 92fs as well, but I'm not going to list all of the improvements here. I'll just list a few and get back to work.
The trigger reach on the Beretta 90two, with the standard grips, is less than the glock 19. Don't believe me? Go read the review on chuckhawks.com. If you don't want to pay $5 for a membership, go to a gun shop with a tape measurer. If my memory serves me right, the reviewer said that that the trigger reach on a Glock 19 was 3" and the trigger reach on the 90two was 2 15/16". For those people that still think the standard 90two grips are too thick, they can order the smaller grips directly from Beretta and swap them out. Yes, the 90two has interchangable grips.
Another issue that some people always seem to bitch about is the locking block on the 92fs. I really don't get this. The 92fs has got to be the most unjustly criticized gun of all time. People constantly parrot what they here from other people on forums without realizing that some of these problems existed 10 to 20 years ago, but were fixed a long time ago. During the military's famous pistol trials in the 80s, Sig had their fair share of problems as well, but you never hear people railing on Sigs. The locking blocks on the newer 92fs models are good for at least 20,000 rounds. The Beretta frames are good for at least 30,000 rounds (the round count that frame testing stops in military hand gun trials). There are folks at te beretta forum that have pistols with round counts of over 75,000 with the original locking blocks. If you are paranoid about having that part replaced, go with the 90two. The 90two has a recoil buffer that should extend the life of the locking block and frame well beyond the expected life of a 92fs.
I'm sorry for hijacking this thread, but I believe that the Beretta pistols are better quality than CZs. The Beretta 92 series also fits me better than any other autoloader out there that I've ever shot. That is not to say that they'll fit everyone, but they are really great guns and super values. You asked why people love CZs. It is because those guns fit these people very well. Find out what fits you best and never look back.
I think that it is great that so many people love their CZs, but I'd like to point out that while they are going to be awesome for some people, they will not be the best fit for everyone. I've shot a CZ 75 and felt that it was pretty nice, but there are several other pistols that fit me a lot better. I agree with one of the earlier posts about the Beretta 92fs. I agree that the 92fs is a better pistol.
With factory or even mecgar magazines, it is one of the most reliable autoloaders ever produced. A lot of people feel that the 92fs grips are too big. Well, for people with smaller hands the Beretta 90two is a great alternative to the 92fs. The 90two is the next step in the evolution of the 92fs. People complained about how big the grips are for the 92fs, so Beretta improved the ergonomics with the 90two. They addressed a lot of other concerns that people had about the 92fs as well, but I'm not going to list all of the improvements here. I'll just list a few and get back to work.
The trigger reach on the Beretta 90two, with the standard grips, is less than the glock 19. Don't believe me? Go read the review on chuckhawks.com. If you don't want to pay $5 for a membership, go to a gun shop with a tape measurer. If my memory serves me right, the reviewer said that that the trigger reach on a Glock 19 was 3" and the trigger reach on the 90two was 2 15/16". For those people that still think the standard 90two grips are too thick, they can order the smaller grips directly from Beretta and swap them out. Yes, the 90two has interchangable grips.
Another issue that some people always seem to bitch about is the locking block on the 92fs. I really don't get this. The 92fs has got to be the most unjustly criticized gun of all time. People constantly parrot what they here from other people on forums without realizing that some of these problems existed 10 to 20 years ago, but were fixed a long time ago. During the military's famous pistol trials in the 80s, Sig had their fair share of problems as well, but you never hear people railing on Sigs. The locking blocks on the newer 92fs models are good for at least 20,000 rounds. The Beretta frames are good for at least 30,000 rounds (the round count that frame testing stops in military hand gun trials). There are folks at te beretta forum that have pistols with round counts of over 75,000 with the original locking blocks. If you are paranoid about having that part replaced, go with the 90two. The 90two has a recoil buffer that should extend the life of the locking block and frame well beyond the expected life of a 92fs.
I'm sorry for hijacking this thread, but I believe that the Beretta pistols are better quality than CZs. The Beretta 92 series also fits me better than any other autoloader out there that I've ever shot. That is not to say that they'll fit everyone, but they are really great guns and super values. You asked why people love CZs. It is because those guns fit these people very well. Find out what fits you best and never look back.
ZeSpectre
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Just FYI, Mec-Gar ARE the factory mags for CZ75's
yhtomit
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I'll admit it: at first I found Czs ugly. (Before I had any idea of their reputation.)
Then I *did* learn more about how much people like them, and I changed my opinion to "Well, they're ugly, but apparently very good guns."
Then I started to reevaluate the shape, and thought "Well, they're sure not pretty, but apparently very good guns." When I picked one up, I realized "Hey! From this angle -- looking down the sights -- this is a very *nice* looking gun."
Then I saw the P-01
Why tiny, arbitrary aesthetic changes matter, I can't describe -- the brain's a wily and mischievous organ -- but the P-01 is flat out good looking. I guess I just like the squared-off muzzle end. Barrels that taper (or seem to) tend to bug me.
And through the P-01, my opinion of the Cz-75 has shifted somewhat, too (favorably). So when I found a Cz-75 for a great price earlier this month ($375 NIB for a Cz-75BD, black), I bought it, and was very impressed with it at the range. However, I was low on time, ammo and money, so I didn't shoot as much as I'd like -- this weekend, I'm taking a friend shooting and that will be our chief toy
timothy
Then I *did* learn more about how much people like them, and I changed my opinion to "Well, they're ugly, but apparently very good guns."
Then I started to reevaluate the shape, and thought "Well, they're sure not pretty, but apparently very good guns." When I picked one up, I realized "Hey! From this angle -- looking down the sights -- this is a very *nice* looking gun."
Then I saw the P-01
Why tiny, arbitrary aesthetic changes matter, I can't describe -- the brain's a wily and mischievous organ -- but the P-01 is flat out good looking. I guess I just like the squared-off muzzle end. Barrels that taper (or seem to) tend to bug me. And through the P-01, my opinion of the Cz-75 has shifted somewhat, too (favorably). So when I found a Cz-75 for a great price earlier this month ($375 NIB for a Cz-75BD, black), I bought it, and was very impressed with it at the range. However, I was low on time, ammo and money, so I didn't shoot as much as I'd like -- this weekend, I'm taking a friend shooting and that will be our chief toy
timothy
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DougDubya
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I love Berettas. I love CZ's. Both are high quality firearms.
Plus, I learned on madogre.com that the CZ-97 finally is available in a decocker model, and the P.01 has a .40 caliber twin brother called the P.06. Good times all around.
Plus, I learned on madogre.com that the CZ-97 finally is available in a decocker model, and the P.01 has a .40 caliber twin brother called the P.06. Good times all around.
Best value in handguns going. Fit, finish, ergonomics are all old world quality.
But, if you don't fit a CZ 75 then you shouldn't get one unless you just want variety. Stick with what fits if your concern is hitting the target. Get a wide range of different "families" of handguns if you just admire them and collect them.
BTW, as a BHP collector and a fan of CZ 75s I don't see any similarities in them. Different grip angles, different rail lay out, different grip shape, different magazine capacity, etc. Did the designers of the CZ 75 study the BHP, just as much as FN/Browning studied the 1911. Did they copy it? Nope.
But, if you don't fit a CZ 75 then you shouldn't get one unless you just want variety. Stick with what fits if your concern is hitting the target. Get a wide range of different "families" of handguns if you just admire them and collect them.
BTW, as a BHP collector and a fan of CZ 75s I don't see any similarities in them. Different grip angles, different rail lay out, different grip shape, different magazine capacity, etc. Did the designers of the CZ 75 study the BHP, just as much as FN/Browning studied the 1911. Did they copy it? Nope.
ZeSpectre
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Grip area on the slide is too damn small. If I have any lubricant on my .40 CZ75B it's hard to rack the slide and impossible for my wife. No issues with a Hi-Power. Just that little extra bit of grip area makes a TON of difference.
Or better checkering on the slide to grip your skin, maybe that would be the ticket. I'm NOT putting grip tape on my "satin nickel" to test that theory though!
hexidismal
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I don't own any CZs myself. Closest thing I've got is a Baby Eagle (and thats pretty close). I wonder though, why don't they make an SP-01 in stainless steel ? If they did.. I'd buy that.
Rumble
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I just hook the rear sights into my flesh. Soon, the doctor's say I'll regain the use of my thumb!
In all honesty, I've never really had an issue with the slide, but I do an overhand slingshot, and I have beefy hands, so maybe it just sticks to me better.
I like CZ's because a P-01 was my first gun - simple as that. I didn't know beans about guns at the time, but it felt just right in my hands. Picked it up for $275, cleaned it, switched some springs, and it is perfect. As perfect as a machine can be, at least.
Fishman777
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CZ factory mags are mec-gar magazines...
I was actually not referring to CZs, I was referring to the Beretta 92fs when I said that. Sorry for not being more clear. The Beretta 92 fs with factory mags are as reliable as it gets.
I was actually not referring to CZs, I was referring to the Beretta 92fs when I said that. Sorry for not being more clear. The Beretta 92 fs with factory mags are as reliable as it gets.
Average Joe
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Because they are just plain GREAT !
DENALI
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Honestly, if you've read your thread this far, if you're able, go to a good rental range and rent one of the 75's(B,PCR,PO1,ect..) and work it out at the twenty-five yard line and answer your own question..........
im a beretta guy myself! ive shot cz's and i did not like the trigger at all, i guess thats just my opinion tho. i prefer a good beretta. px4 was my choice, ergonomic, hi cap mags, comes with good sights, not to big, not to small, a little too fat to carry in summer, but still a great gun!
JohnBT
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I bought a Turkish contract overrun 75B back when they were going for $300 to $349 and included 2 15-round mags. The so-called Military model.
Who was it who said "It's the best $700 gun you can get for $350."? Whoever it was, they were right.
Then I bought a BHP that I like better, but only a little.
I just don't see the fascination with the Beretta, but to each their own. Whatever works.
John
Who was it who said "It's the best $700 gun you can get for $350."? Whoever it was, they were right.
Then I bought a BHP that I like better, but only a little.
I just don't see the fascination with the Beretta, but to each their own. Whatever works.
John
PCRCCW
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Well ........hmmm. What can I add to what has already been said? Not a lot!
Ive had over 28 CZ's over the years and have had problems with 2 of them...they are no perfect by any means but they are as close as anyone is gonna find, IMO, in a 9mm steel framed gun!
The trigger mechanism is very strong and reliable, the guns are made well, barrels are hammer forged..just makes them tough, I love the slide in frame design even if it does reduce the amount of room to grip the slide, I love the triggers after they have been broken in, two of the 75's and one 97 were easily the most accurate guns Ive ever owned or shot...Ive had Sig 220's, STI's, Kimbers etc....very accurate guns! Bla Bla Bla.........
They are good enough that they are the reason I started making holsters! Carrying my PCR daily in a S&W holster caused me to bleed! Thus I fixed the problem.........
You guys are right.......not everyone who shoots them will fall in love with them............but MOST who do...........WILL!
Shoot well and god bless
Ive had over 28 CZ's over the years and have had problems with 2 of them...they are no perfect by any means but they are as close as anyone is gonna find, IMO, in a 9mm steel framed gun!
The trigger mechanism is very strong and reliable, the guns are made well, barrels are hammer forged..just makes them tough, I love the slide in frame design even if it does reduce the amount of room to grip the slide, I love the triggers after they have been broken in, two of the 75's and one 97 were easily the most accurate guns Ive ever owned or shot...Ive had Sig 220's, STI's, Kimbers etc....very accurate guns! Bla Bla Bla.........
They are good enough that they are the reason I started making holsters! Carrying my PCR daily in a S&W holster caused me to bleed! Thus I fixed the problem.........
You guys are right.......not everyone who shoots them will fall in love with them............but MOST who do...........WILL!
Shoot well and god bless
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