What Really Happened In New Orleans After Katrina?

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Overnight I was listening to Coast to Coast AM and a guest named Alex Jones was featured. He was discussing the "Globalist Agenda" and he commented that during the Katrina aftermath the Mayor Ray Nagin decreed that there would be no guns in New Orleans and National Guard and local police went house to house and confiscated private firearms. Even those from large mansions on the outskirts of the city. Did this really happen? If it was really going down at our homes would we allow it or would it be time to make a stand?
 
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Yes, for a period of about 24, maybe 36 hours, there was an effort to confiscate guns house to house in conjunction with a "lets forcibly evacuate the holdouts" campaign before public outcry brought it to a screeching halt and quasi coverup.

This effort was spottilly enforced, a lot of units didn't get the order, and some ignored it. There's lots of video floating around the web which documents the event, including some linked at my blog, and plenty on youtube.
 
I think that's almost as disturbing as the road-blocks they set up to prevent aid from entering. And you wouldn't believe the number of people on this very forum who supported them! 'You don't need a bunch of Johnny-come-latelys getting in the way of gov't doing their jobs'...

Quite disturbing in many ways.
 
Did this really happen?
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It's disturbing how the government does things like this and most folks don't know about it. If they do hear about it, they don't even believe it. Yet when some disturbed kid in the middle of small town BFE shoots another kid in school or some wacko shoots his cheating girlfriend at work, it's played every hour on CNN, front pages of USA Today and every other national media outlet.
 
Yes it really happened and it took at least 2 court orders to get them to start giving the guns back. And they kept no records of who they took them from, and gave no receipts when they took them. So unless you had proof of ownership of the gun you didn't get it back.

No one really knows how many guns were taken and likewise how many have been returned.

And the police chief has already vowed to do it again if the opportunity presents itself.
 
I could see how the gun-grab could go down in New Orleans as this city was one "big socialist experiment" and I believe the citizens expected the government, (city-state-federal-whatever) to pull their peanuts out of the fire. I would like to think where I live in the piedmont of NC this would not happen. Folks out my way like to hunt, are armed and a few still haven't gotten over the war of northern aggression. It would take a might big distraction and a large number of foreign troops to affect a general confiscation of personal firearms. Maybe I'm being naive.
 
Yes it really happened and it took at least 2 court orders to get them to start giving the guns back. And they kept no records of who they took them from, and gave no receipts when they took them. So unless you had proof of ownership of the gun you didn't get it back.

No one really knows how many guns were taken and likewise how many have been returned.

And the police chief has already vowed to do it again if the opportunity presents itself.
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They refuse to give the guns back even with proof of ownership.

REMEMBER NEW ORLEANS!
 
DMK, yes, of course, but New Orleans is just a preview of what is coming in NYC, D.C., Chicago, L.A., etc.

bulltaco, yes, it really happened and the antis want it to happen on a broader scale after January 2009. Did you see who the victims were? Right, minorities.

Blacks and Hispanics will be the first victims as these groups are the residents of the large urban areas where the confiscations will begin. Once they have the large urban areas the government will have a base in which to operate and then they can use their pysch profiles (targeting those mostly likely not to comply) and the registration lists that they have been compiling to target high volume shooters in isolation before they can join together. They will neutralize a few better known White shooters in each region to serve as warnings to the rest of us.

I first learned of the federal government's gun raid plans when I was attending a pistol class at the Chapman Academy with two FBI agents (the fibbies said the confiscations would be in response to tax protests that Social Security and other entitlements will bring). At first I was stunned and then in denial.

Hate to be with the tinfoilers on this, but the handwriting is on the wall and the gloves are off. Get active, hopefully we can stop this before it is born.
 
Since Katrina many states (17, to date but don't quote me) including Louisiana and Mississippi have passed laws explicitly to prevent this from happening again on a STATE level.

Because I knew it was unconstitutional during the storm, I had no intentions of giving up my weapons, and I was fully prepared to prevent that from occuring. Fortunately, I lived in one of the parishes outside NO where the officials knew better.

There is a couple points to mention here:

Ray Nagan is mayor of the CITY of New Orleans, which is rather small, relatively speaking. The area of the disaster in the Greater New Orleans Area (the metropolitian area) encompassed several parishs, other cities with mayors (Like Kenner, Metairie, Algiers, Gretna, etc.) Nagan only had the spotlight.

The sheriff mentioned here that said he would do it again is Sheriff Harry Lee. He is the sheriff of Jefferson Parish that holds the neighboring cities of Metairie and Kenner. Lee is partially Asian, and has always been supported by the white population. He got some news a while back when profiling was being discussed on the national news circuit.

At the time, he had supported profiling, and whether officially or not, his department actively profiled persons in the predominately white Metairie. He made it perfectly clear that he was going to do things his way, regardless of the law back then. He was basically saying the same thing again regarding guns and disaster.

I would wish someone would take a close look at his department. For ages, I have heard rumors of corruption, ties to crime, and this reckelessness with persons' rights coming from the very top levels of his organization.

It may be important to note that Jefferson Parish is also the same parish that used to be represented by David Duke as state Representative prior to his run at the governorship of LA.

Harry Lee, in my opinion, is a very dangerous man when it comes to anyone's rights. I'm glad I am no longer a resident of Metairie.

Listen to these people talk while you can. It makes it easier to know who is coming after your rights when it matters.


John
 
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So which party is behind all of this. Me thinks it's both the elephants and the jackasses. This is unsettling at the very least. All I can say is it won't be easy aound my area, at least I don't think it will.
 
I don't know about *now*, but Metairie and Jefferson Parish has always been conservative and more in the hands of Republicans. As I said earlier though, Harry Lee runs things his own way. When I was living there, it seemed that everyone LIKED Harry Lee because he was percieved as being more "racist" in his policies. I have heard dozens of times that it didn't matter if he was corrupt as long as he kept the criminal element in New Orleans Parish out of Metairie. That translated that is you were black and passing through Metairie, you had better have a good explaination.

Please don't take this as a racial discussion, per say. I'm a white guy, and I disagree with his flavor of law. I am using this to illustrate that in Harry Lee's world, your rights are relative to his needs, wants, or perogatives at any given time.


That said, New Orleans Parish is overwhelmingly controlled by the Democrats.


So, yes... its both parties. I don't think it is as simple as a difference in parties. I feel it is more a difference in rural verses metropolitian. Think about this:

Gulioni is a Republican, and is loved within the Republican party, yet he also supports more gun control. I feel that this is a symptom of having mayor'ed New York City for so long. Arnold (not about to spell his last name) out in CA is Republican, and he supports more gun control. Welcome to California.

In Mississippi, a Democratic Representative who has been in office forever, Gene Taylor is one of the best friends the RKBA community will ever have.

This frustrates me to no end. Someone representing a small area of the country where there IS major crime problems decides that laws must be passed NATION-WIDE to address thier own crappy situation. I'd rather see these people go address the issues in thier OWN backyard than jump the fence into mine.


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This frustrates me to no end. Someone representing a small area of the country where there IS major crime problems decides that laws must be passed NATION-WIDE to address thier own crappy situation. QUOTE]

+1! Right up there with those unfortunate folks who have lost a family member and then try to honor their memory, or give meaing to their loss, by imposing some new law, often named after the family member, on the rest of us.

(My apologies to the OP for the digression.) :rolleyes:
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I could see how the gun-grab could go down in New Orleans as this city was one "big socialist experiment" and I believe the citizens expected the government, (city-state-federal-whatever) to pull their peanuts out of the fire.
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I don't know about that. There are plenty of rednecks in New Orleans. And all the people they took the guns from were, you know, people who owned guns.

I think it would be more helpful to have some analysis of what went wrong in the situation, and how people in the thick of it could prevent such actions next time an opportunity to disarm the masses arises.
 
What went wrong?
A mayor and law enforcement officials decided they had the power to declare 'martial law'.
They decided they had the power to declare a moratorium on, and violation of, civil rights.
They still believe that they can duck the liability for same.
As of yet, they were right. See any Mayors, Chiefs' of Police, California state troopers et. al. sitting in a jail cell for their actions?
I know that GOA and NRA are the frontrunners in the legal fight to get the weapons returned. What I am hoping, waiting and praying to see are some whopping huge civil suits against the individuals, and if we're really lucky and make it all the way to the $64,000 question - how about prison terms?
Because right now, there is no real downside for them if they do it again.
 
A mayor and law enforcement officials decided they had the power to declare 'martial law'.
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I heard the term "martial law" thrown around a lot during that event.

It is my understanding that Martial Law can only be declared by the US congress officially.

Correct me if I am wrong.


John
 
Gulioni is a Republican, and is loved within the Republican party, yet he also supports more gun control.
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I don't know how "loved" Giuliani is within the Republican Party, but then I'm not a Republican.

I LOATHE Giuliani. He allowed the NYPD to run amok, supporting them most times no matter WHAT they did.

Louima, Diallo, Dorismond, etc., with Giuliani in charge of the BATFE and FBI, you can expect a regular series of Wacos.
 
Alot went wrong

Things were really bad in NO during and after Katrina. I think the mayor and the gangs had something going on prior to the storm anyhow. :cuss: Being the mayor...., he should know what is going on in 'His City' prior to the storm.

I have a cousin that lives in Columbia Mississippi. His area has hit pretty bad. Resources was sent to the city of NO first. :banghead: He and his family waited for weeks until the could get any real help, so enough of the complaining, be grateful you left NO w/ your life. People should have left long before the storm arrived. Some folks didn't make it out w/ their lives. Thank GOD ALMIGHTY you have your life to live out now. Everyone was not that lucky.
 
King,

My office is on Main Street in Columbia, MS. I weathered the storm out in Bogalusa, LA with my in-laws.

Small world.


John
 
As we have seen several times in recent years any time anything really bad happens in a populated area there is likely to be looting and violence. This is the MOST IMPORTANT time to have the means to protect yourself, and precicely the event that the 2nd amendment was put in place for. It is probably the most frustrating and evil abuse of power seen recently. When an ordinance or law goes into effect that immediately turns law abiding citizens into criminals and those same people are faced with the choice to maintain their rights and possibly have to engage police that are supposed to "protect and serve the community" or fall victim to the dregs of society it is proof positive that government and society has failed and forsaken it's citizens. This is something that shouldn't be forgotten, my deepest regards to those who suffered through it.
 
hmmm...

...well, it can happen anywhere...It'll happen when you're most vulnerable...after a natural or man-made disaster and you have no phone, no utilities, are cut off from transportation and your usual support...

In short, when you really need them, there'll be a BANG, BANG, BANG on the door, or not...and you'll see 10 guys with CARs', MP5s' and M4s pointed in your face saying, "freeze"...
 
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