What to do next?
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Springmom,
If my memory serves, based on prior posts, the Sheriff is 15 years old.
Respectfully,
DarkSoldier
If my memory serves, based on prior posts, the Sheriff is 15 years old.
Respectfully,
DarkSoldier
Ah.....
Well, to answer the question, you call the police. Having your side of the story in there first is always the best option.
Jan
Well, to answer the question, you call the police. Having your side of the story in there first is always the best option.
Jan
Call it in ASAP. Remember, you want to be first. Don't give all the details -- the dispatcher doesn't need it and you'll be in the middle of an adrenalin dump. Something along the lines of "A gun with a knife tried to rob me. He ran off. <insert description of perp here>"
You should never point a gun at anyone. You should draw and fire. However, it is possibe within the 2 sec draw and fire the threat may disappear. In such a case you cannot fire. Call 911 to report the incident.
I hear this advice frequently on this forum, and I understand the mindset of not ever using your weapon for its intimidation factor.
That said, there is a thread in HG general right now asking how many shots were actually fired in any given SD situation, an over -whelming number of respondants, including myself, state that the display of the defensive weapon ended the incident W/ no shots fired.
Given that, if I pull a gun even W/ a clear threat I can't see myself shooting W/out giving the bad guy one last chance to stand down
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treo,
There are some people who carry firearms strictly for their intimidation factor and never intend to use them. That kind of mindset gets people killed but it's still out there. I think that's where the advice about not drawing unless you are ready to shoot comes from.
Jeff
There are some people who carry firearms strictly for their intimidation factor and never intend to use them. That kind of mindset gets people killed but it's still out there. I think that's where the advice about not drawing unless you are ready to shoot comes from.
Jeff
That really depends upon the situation, doesn't it? If you have enough distance and the perp has a contact weapon, then you have the chance to issue a warning. If the perp is right on top of you with his knife, then you probably don't have time to issue a warning.
If the perp runs away as he sees you drawing your gun, great, don't shoot, let him run away. But don't count on having time to issue a warning.
Marion Michael Morrison was John Wayne's real name.
Of course, obviously I maybe in a situation where I have no option but to fire immediately. That MAY happen but the one time it DID happen to me the defensive display was enough . And yes, I was fully prepared to fire.
Of course, obviously I maybe in a situation where I have no option but to fire immediately. That MAY happen but the one time it DID happen to me the defensive display was enough . And yes, I was fully prepared to fire.
Call as soon as you are safe. Be complete and accurate. Give them a full description of yourself. Make sure your hands are empty except for your phone. Then, stay on the line until the officers get there. Then, be thankful you were armed!
Your calling or not (Police) depends in most part to the location of the incident.
The crime stats; from so many parts of the US of A point to Gun produced, hostile action against the now gun holder, ends! as apposed to shots fired. And that is reported incidents.
The crime stats; from so many parts of the US of A point to Gun produced, hostile action against the now gun holder, ends! as apposed to shots fired. And that is reported incidents.
I would call the police to report the behavior that made the bad guy a bad guy. Was it an attempted robbery, for example? Let them know the behavior that made you feel concerned about your safety.
The BG might report you as, "Some crazy guy waving a gun around."
The BG might report you as, "Some crazy guy waving a gun around."
Perhaps because the imminent threat ceased to exist when you produced the weapon--the attacker dropped his weapon and backed away.
Scan the area for additional threats.
If no threats (check really carefully), reholster.
Scan for witnesses to the attack. If you find someone, engage him/her (after reholstering): "Hey, buddy. Wow, did you see that? I'm going to call the police." See if you can get the witness to stay and speak to the responding officer.
If the attacker presented/fired a gun--reasonable assumption: there was a reason I presented mine--understand that you might not be the only one calling 911, and the police are responding to a man with a gun/shots fired call. Consider asking someone in charge (say, the manager at McDonald's) to secure the door and to ask witnesses not to leave--the gunman might be waiting. If a gun was fired, see if someone is injured.
After you call 911, see if you can stay on the phone with the operator until the responding officer arrives. The 911 operator may have a script and directions for you to follow. Follow them. Make sure the officer knows what you look like, what you're wearing, etc.
If the operator has no script: As you see the officer approaching, make sure you are standing in a well lighted area: if nothing else is available, stand in his head-lights. Hands are up, away from you waist, clearly visible. Ask someone (witness/manager) to go to the officer, obey him, and lead him back to you.
If the officer asks you to remove your gun, do not touch it: lift your arms to the sky (slowly--everything slowly), and say, "The gun is yours, officer. I will not move. I will not touch it." (If the environment permits it, consider avoiding this contingency by unloading the gun, slide locked open, and placing it in front of you on the ground before the police arrive.)
Different officers/departments will have different ways to respond to these calls. None of them are willing to be shot. If shots have been fired, they will rightfully be edgy. Don't do anything that might make them fear for their safety in any way.
Oh, and if it was just you alone, no witnesses: ask the 911 person if you should stay there, or meet the officer somewhere. If the area is unsafe, say you can't stay, and find out where to meet the officer, and ask what to do once there. No misunderstandings.
Tactics has been defined as the art of not getting shot. That includes not getting shot by a well meaning police officer trying to survive her/his shift.
If I was the guy that ran away, I'd quickly call the police and say some guy just pulled a gun on me and demanded my wallet and give the location.
JShirly and Byron, I gotta respectfully disagree with you both. While the firearm is no magic talisman that will reduce crazy methheads to model citizens......your responses provide no grey area for the situation. The what ifs are endless. Someone yells "I'm going to kill you" and is crossing the street with a knife. You're with your kids and can't run away screaming. That is enough time to display without shooting immediately. Just an example in the endless world of possibility.
I think that you should be prepared to immediately apply deadly force any time you produce a weapon in response to a threat, but the assumption that if the weapon comes out, deadly force must be applied....is a little narrow in view in my opinion.
As for the OP, I agree with Jeff White's post, and a few others. He who calls the police first usually wins regardless of "right".
I think that you should be prepared to immediately apply deadly force any time you produce a weapon in response to a threat, but the assumption that if the weapon comes out, deadly force must be applied....is a little narrow in view in my opinion.
As for the OP, I agree with Jeff White's post, and a few others. He who calls the police first usually wins regardless of "right".
Same as you would for any other incident report: identify yourself, state that you have a CCW permit, give your location, your description, the BG's description, what happened, direction the BG took when he fled. Follow the instructions of the dispatcher.
Presumably the perp committed a crime or you would not have drawn on him. I would be inclined to call and report the crime.
Personally, I am not a huge fan of drawing a gun to scare the perp off, but it is situation dependant.
If you are at home, you certainly have a little more lattitude most of the time. Out on the street, its a little different.
Personally, I am not a huge fan of drawing a gun to scare the perp off, but it is situation dependant.
If you are at home, you certainly have a little more lattitude most of the time. Out on the street, its a little different.
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