What Would Happen Where You Live...

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Depending on time of year, where I live I wouldn't be able to sleep, a continual string of folks who would recognize my truck would stop to see if I was ok or needed help. If it was summer I would have woken up to the bed of the truck filled with zuchini, tomatoes, and or sweet corn. Some days it's hard to just mow the grass at our church without someone stopping and giving me a bottle of water. Lots to be said for living in small rural community.
 
I'm also in western NY State, like one of the previous posters, and I honestly think that around here it would have been a non-event. Other than maybe a tap on the window to see if he's O.K. (Tons of concealed carry permits around here). NYC would have been an entirely different story; but then, NYC is an entirely different world. So much so, that many in the rest of the state support the idea of NYC becoming a separate state, yours truly included. Then NYC could continue with their abolition of all things 2nd Amendment related; they're almost there now, with exceptions of course, for the rich and famous, the politically connected, and other members of the "upper class".
 
farmerboy78 said:
Sounds like you are now a Californian, go back there with that mentality. It's ignorant to punish everyone for something 1 person did. Damn liberals
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Born and raised. Perhaps I simply see things in light of current realities, not as I wish it to be. Terrorist attacks are happening all around the world, and mostly on soft targets. What the individual did "IS" illegal here, the legality where you live does "NOT" matter. The police took the action they determined necessary, not only to protect the public (as many mentioned there are relatively few permits to carry here), but to deal with the media. The truth is much of what they do isn't driven by their perception of danger, but the public's. And, the public perception of danger is, whether we like it or not, hugely influenced by the media.

Was it a waste of resources, probably. Was it a great PR move, definitely.
 
Panfisher said:
Depending on time of year, where I live I wouldn't be able to sleep, a continual string of folks who would recognize my truck would stop to see if I was ok or needed help. If it was summer I would have woken up to the bed of the truck filled with zuchini, tomatoes, and or sweet corn. Some days it's hard to just mow the grass at our church without someone stopping and giving me a bottle of water. Lots to be said for living in small rural community.
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Where is this utopic place, Panfisher? My guns and dogs would like to move there! :cool:
 
Captcurt said:
It is called the Wussification of America. Here in Northern Arkansas this would not have raised an eyebrow.
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Well, I'd change that "w" for a "p." Unfortunately, the counties in my state with the major population centers are affected by this syndrome as well ...
 
Hacker15E said:
Only in Cali would the police have a "standoff" with a man asleep in a vehicle.
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Too true, in the coastal ultra-liberal areas. Inland and away from those areas we're almost like everyone else in the country. Here, if someone sees your concealed handgun they just realize you're not a wacko liberal.

To the future State of Jefferson! soj51.net
 
jeepnik said:
Considering recent events the response is understandable. Imagine if he had been up to something nefarious and the police had just ignored him
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No, it's not an understandable response. It's a response intended to protect the best interests of the department. Police are caught between placating BLM and keeping the politicians and the privileged feeling safe and secure. Four hour stand off? Locking all the sheep inside stores "for their safety"? It would have taken the AAA guy thirty seconds to unlock one of the doors.

How the police handled it had nothing to do with service or protection and everything to do with keeping the Chief's favorite seat warming part from being used for chewing gum by the mayor
 
jeepnik said:
What the individual did "IS" illegal here, the legality where you live does "NOT" matter.
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Point of fact, the individual was not charged with any criminal offense. if he did something illegal, you bet he would have gotten charged. They incident dragged out SWAT and helicopters, and the guy does not even get some kind of nuisance charge. That speaks volumes.

jeepnik said:
Was it a waste of resources, probably. Was it a great PR move, definitely.
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Was it a waste of resources, definitely. Was it a great PR move, definitely not. (Fixed that for ya). Moreover, they released the name of the uncharged innocent citizen, who had an otherwise legal product in his possession. Again, no charges filed, but the police are in effect publicly shaming him.

Plus, I'm wondering if his ethnicity had anything to do with the overreaction.

One last thing - they police ended up in this "standoff" with a sleeping guy for 4 hours. But, what if he was actually in medical distress? Or a crime victim himself? Or deceased?

Personally, i think its a stupid product, handled carelessly in a gun-unfriendly area. On the other hand, the police response here was highly questionable during and after the incident.
 
This gun Paranoia was created and promoted by "Sleazy" Politicians and Teachers Unions. They all stand responsible for the shooting deaths of people who owned toy guns, air pistols or just make the wrong hand gestures.:(
 
The guy wasn't sleeping -- he was passed out. So, in the parking lot of a public mall, and drugs or alcohol abuse combined with what looks like to me -- a looooongtime gun enthusiast -- to be a handgun -- is some cause for concern. Helicopter? No. SWAT? No. Bust the window, open the door, and cuff him? Yes.

But this doesn't sound like a California problem, as much as everyone here would like to make it. It sounds like a bad PD call. You're not insulting California in this thread -- you are insulting law enforcement officers.

EDITED TO ADD: And that is probably the stupidest cell phone charger I have ever seen. I like firearms, but, holy cow. There's a time and a place. Gun-looking cell phone charger? Some communist in China just made $20 off an American idiot.
 
Here is an except from the Fox News reporting on it. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/01/gun-shaped-cell-phone-case-prompts-police-standoff.html

"Alhambra Police wants to get the message out that folks should reconsider carrying items that look like weapons in public, since an incident like this could have easily ended tragically."

I might add, this was not "in public". It was inside someone's car.

They actually called a SWAT team for this incident. Seems like some people need to find something else to do from my point of view. I don't care if the guy was "passed out".... better there than on the highway driving.
 
ACP said:
The guy wasn't sleeping -- he was passed out. So, in the parking lot of a public mall, and drugs or alcohol abuse combined with what looks like to me -- a looooongtime gun enthusiast -- to be a handgun -- is some cause for concern. Helicopter? No. SWAT? No. Bust the window, open the door, and cuff him? Yes."
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I originally caught the report of this event on KNX 1070, a big SoCal all-news radio station. Their report said that Mr. Flores works two jobs, had been awake for a total of 24 hours between those two jobs, and wanted to catch a nap before going shopping. Spin? Maybe. Truth? Maybe. Could the cops assume this? In my neck of the woods, maybe. In SoCal, apparently not.
 
This event, from the responding agency's point of view:

https://www.facebook.com/alhambrapolice/posts/10154442529986743:0

Today (12/30/16), at 10:52 am, the Alhambra Police Department received a call from the Alhambra Fire Department stating they responded to the parking lot of Albertson store (Commonwealth Avenue/Fremont Avenue) regarding a possible medical issue of a subject in a vehicle. Upon the Alhambra Fire Department’s arrival, they noticed a male subject possibly sleeping or unconscious in the driver’s seat of a blue Suburban Vehicle and what appeared to be a gun next to him. At that point, they called the Alhambra Police Department and we responded. Once officers arrived, they looked through the vehicle’s window and saw a male subject sleeping or unconscious with what appeared to be a gun on his lap next to his hand.
We contacted the Special Enforcement Bureau of the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department for assistance. They responded and took over the investigation. At approximately 2:35 pm the subject surrender [sic] and came out of his vehicle with his hands up. The situation ended peaceful [sic] and it was determined what appeared to be a gun was actually a cellphone case of a gun. The male subject did not require any medical attention, was not arrested, and was sleeping in his vehicle.
The businesses are back to normal in the area and we would like to thank the citizens for their understanding during the investigation. We would also like to thank the Special Enforcement Bureau of the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department, Monterey Park Police Department, South Pasadena Police Department, and San Marino Police Department for their assistance and professional response. This incident could have very easily ended tragically. Please reconsider carrying items like this in public.
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I don't know about any of you, but to me this sentence is chilling: This incident could have very easily ended tragically." An event like this EASILY turning tragic (presumably for Mr. Flores)? Five agencies involved in waking a man who was asleep in his vehicle? It seems to me that this can be the case only in a society where firearms, anything that appears to be firearm-related, and firearm owners are vilified and automatically assumed to be dangerous to the public.

One additional observation: IF California did issue CCW permits to regular people, and Flores had gotten one, then responding officers might have been able to run Flores' plates, determine that he was a "good guy", and approach the whole incident a lot less breathlessly.
 
The whole country is aware of recent events. With that, people are posting their location would have reacted differently.

California has a problem. But, too many of its residents are acclimated.
 
Dear God,

Please whatever you do keep me away from California!! :confused:

If I ever saw that, anywhere, I would not be alarmed whatsoever. With my brain matter, I would deduct that the person clearly wasn't a cause for alarm since they were asleep. Even if they were awake a handgun on the seat means nothing.They probably just took their weapon out because it was uncomfortable. Now if they were waving it around at people, then of course that is cause for alarm. But apparently in that part of the world they do not have the same brain matter as us in Kansas!!
 
I pulled up next to a cop driving back from hunting with a revolver on my dashboard. He looked over and saw it. Thankfully he didn't see that I wasn't wearing my seatbelt. That's Montana for you.
 
Well apparently what he was doing would have been illegal if the cell phone thingie would have been a real gun. And who sleeps in their car in a parking lot? Good law or bad, looks to me like the cops were just trying to (a) make sure the guy wasn't having a medical emergency and (b) enforce the law. Maybe they overreacted some (OK, quite a bit) but they had a responsibility to see what was going on.
 
I strongly doubt that most passersby would even think that anything was unusual about having a pistol grip on the seat, and would certainly not think to call 911,
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Most people who noticed would be concerned that the person had committed suicide and call 911 with that concern.
 
Who sleeps in their car in a parking lot? I do. Usually at lunch. Why? My corporation has seen fit to put the loudest speaker possible pointing down at the lunch room table, and it goes off with a deafening warble tone every time the phone rings. Add that in a lot of store locations the public passes by on their way to the restroom and not all of them are polite or friendly. The most common practical joke is to yell or provoke a reaction to seeing someone napping on their lunch break. Not to forget the constant interruptions from newer staff members who were told your name so you know all about the part you ordered that will come in at 3PM if they bothered to check the outside order registery. No, it's not here yet and yes, I DID tell them when it would be.

There is no guarantee a retail store is a happy workers paradise. The smart employee gets out of the building and finds some solace where the biggest issues are the brodozers and bikers blasting up and down the road pretending they are important.

Now, tell me what your lunchroom is like and I will likely understand that you don't work retail. How nice. BTW, no, you don't go to the local parks and sit under the shady trees to nap. We have a large alternative lifestyle population and they have made that their turf for recreational activities. It's not an alternative here.

Goes to who has the notion they can tell anyone just where they nap. I see some thinking they are now the Nap Nazis and can restrict and interfere with whoever they like because they don't care for them enjoying a peaceful environment. The napper isn't the problem - ITS THE BUSYBODY WHO COMPLAINS.

As for the gun charger - in CA? Massively insensitive choice and it reflects the owners grasp of his state politics. Should they have gone so far overboard? Must have been a quiet day and they had a crisis that didn't need to go to waste. Think about it. The PD deliberately overreacted, they did make much more of this than needed, they politicized it for maximum affect. There is the Alhambra PD and their position on the subject made obvious for the local residents. They thought they could get away with it and did.
 
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hso said:
Most people who noticed would be concerned that the person had committed suicide and call 911 with that concern.
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So now we're worried that there might be a suicide if someone is sleeping in their car? If there was, a bit of "roasting" in the sun wouldn't have changed anything.

We probably need a permanent SWAT team stationed at interstate rest areas and truck parking areas.
 
stoky said:
Only people who are smart enough to know that catching a nap is safer than driving exhausted.
mostly a free state phenomenon
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I agree. I was driving home after a very early start out in the woods and I was almost falling asleep at the wheel.... fought it until I got to an interstate rest area and took a little nap. That is all it took and I felt good again and "in control".
 
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