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What would YOU have Done?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Blain, Jan 30, 2004.

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  1. Blain

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    Here is a thwarted robbery attempt from another board. I thought it was too good to pass up. The story really got me thinking about what I would do in a self defense situation. Ask yourselves, what would you do if you found yourself in the same situation as this gentleman?


    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=13627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    My favorite response so far,
    :D
     
  2. Mulliga

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    No way to verify if it's true, but I'd say the shotgunner acted responsibly. Even if those guys were thieves, I'm not sure the death penalty via 12 ga. is the right answer:evil: .
     
  3. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    I think he handled it OK. Like Goldilocks.

    In most states you must be in immediate danger and probably in the domicile to use lethal force.







    OK, maybe I would have fired a little closer :evil:
     
  4. Gewehr98

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    Sounds like a perfect opportunity to use...

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    Ultimate Shotgun!:uhoh:






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  5. tc300mag1

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    I would have done what he did to be on the safe side course should have waited to rack the shotgun so they could hear it
     
  6. Josey

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    I have been IN this SHTF scenario. I dumped a cylinder full of 180 gr Winchester Supreme 357 Magnum out of my wheelgun into the truck. The SO thought a truck with 6 357 Magnum holes in it would be easy to find. Not yet. In my area, the crime was arson by firebombing. No questions were asked. Sheriff interviewed me and I went on my way.
     
  7. 444

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    I wouldn't have gone out of the house, let alone in my underwear.
    I would have stayed in the house. If they wanted to enter the house, it would have been a fatal mistake.
     
  8. larry_minn

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    Well first he should really put on his pants. IMO you are at a psychological disadvantage when in just underware. (where do you put ammo/light/cell/etc?
    I don't go outside without pants/shirt/shoes and gun/cell. Let them break in I was planning on putting new floor coverings on porch and kitchen. I would like to think in that situation (with minor mods for me) I would have lit them up to begin with then moved. With what was said about (we are here lets do this and them getting out of truck AFTER many warnings) I tend to think I would dump half a dozen warning shots from AR. ANY response other then leaving and rest of mag goes into truck.
     
  9. S_O_Laban

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    This sounds like a "Fudd file" episode.

    I can't imagine leaving the house undressed without looking out a window to see what's up first. :scrutiny:

    IMHO this is a major tactical error. Your legally in a lot better shape inside your house than out. Why step outside the best defensive stucture you have. I wonder.....:scrutiny:




    edited for untactical grammar:D
     
  10. Blain

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    The view they would have seen.
     
  11. Black Majik

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    wait for it:







    The One, The Only...





    Ultimate Shotgun!






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  12. yayarx7

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    This is Texas, I would have put a "warning shot" into the truck. From everything I have garnered a warning shot is a tactically bad mistake, it rarely ever results in the cessation of anything, and then you are 1 round down. Nope, no warning shots here.

    OTOH, You are not in jail, or dead, so you must have done the right thing.
     
  13. BluesBear

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    I agree with S_O_Laban :rolleyes:

    I doubt a single word of it is true.
     
  14. HunterGatherer

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    I know what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't fire into the air. Warning shots are stupid Hollyperv stunts for starters. That aside, the gun will be just as loud if fired into the front lawn. Lot less chance of killing the neighbors too.
     
  15. foghornl

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    Could have done things a bit better, perhaps, but I'm not about to MMQ (Monday Morning Quarterback) this thing. You and yours are all OK, so that is what counts.

    That being said, MY warning shot consists of the "Snick." of the safety being set to 'Fire' mode
     
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    If true, sounds like it worked out okay. But terrible tactics on the part of the homeowner. He made some bad assumptions about the nature of the threat and left a secure position ... in his underwear? :scrutiny:
     
  17. dinosaur

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    This one happened last week not too far from me. It was in the local paper (Hazleton Standard Speaker) but since I`m cutnpaste handicapped, I couldn`t find it.

    Guy goes up his driveway and sees a car with 3 males parked behind the house. They`re strangers (supposedly) and they`re doing a joint or booze. He challenges them and one pulls a knife and approaches the owner. The owner goes to his car gets a 9mm and fires a warning shot into the ground. This enrages the guy with the knife and he charges. Ok, wait for it, the clown with the gun throws it away and and goes hand to hand, er knife. :what: He gets stabbed but luckily not too bad. The cops collar the 3 mutts later.
     
  18. Alan Fud

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    Yep, definitely one for the "Fud Files" ;)

    I question the decision to go outside. If the three men refused to leave or thought that the home owner was bluffy and he was forced to shoot them, I would think that he would be on shakey legal ground since MOST state require you to flee before engaging deadly force unless you are in your home. Don't think the defense of standing your ground extends outside of your house onto your property but I could be wrong.
     
  19. 444

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    I don't understand the whole thing about leaving the house when you hear a noise or suspect someone is outside. That seems to be a common theme in these stories.
    Home Invasion Tip of the Month: Let one guy walk into the crime scene and hide near the door. When we pull up in the truck, the home owner will immediately leave cover/concealment/light/extra ammo and weapons/the phone/his family............................. no matter how he is dressed to see what the noise is. You can then either club him in the back of the head, shoot him in the back, or just ignore him and walk right into the door he came out of, since you know it isn't locked. In fact, you can be rounding up the loot in the house while Bubba engages him in a pissing match outside in the street. He is willing to stay there all night exchanging threats with Bubba. Works everytime just like Pavlov's Dogs.
     
  20. JamisJockey

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    first problem,
    Underwear isn't tactical enough. I would have had to bug out to the house, get my CQB gear on, check my comm with homebase, check my loadout of 200rounds, 2 pistols, 50 rounds each, and maybe my MBR with 300 rounds.
    Then, I would have mall ninja'd back to the front yard, layed down a base of fire, and probably thown a flashbang or two...
    :p







    Firstly, 444 is right. From a non-ninja Tactical point of view, running outside exposes you to a multitude of unknown dangers. Unfortunately, staying inside could force escalation. If they come through the door you pretty much have to shoot them. Outside, you might stand a chance of scaring them off. However, I'd stay inside, and I never go outside to investigate noises.
    If the account is real, the homeowner acted right, IMHO. Although,
    would have probably been where I would have launched the warning shot into the quarter panel of the truck to 'mark it'.
     
  21. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    To continue the "This is Texas" school of thought...

    I prefer at least an 800 meter security zone around a residence. I love wide open spaces. My wife refers to it as 'the kill zone'. She's after me to put the classic sign up on the gate regarding aiming points and precision riflery.

    Lost? Need directions? Go to the C-store down the road.
    Leave your vehicle and walk up toward the house where I can see you if you can't ring the intercom on the gate.

    Man but I love this place.

    Regards,
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  22. HankB

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    No, staying inside doesn't "force" someone else to do anything - you are NOT responsible for anyone else's behavior. What staying inside DOES do is guarantee that any escalation will be THEIRS, which would look good if things come to a civil suit from their surviving kin.
    Which, given circumstances as described, would be the smartest thing to do.
     
  23. 444

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    Here is a great senario. Bad Guy gets out and walks to house - hides in shadows toward rear of house. Bubba drives truck into driveway. Homeowner immediately runs outside in his underwear like a moth to a flame. Like a gravitational pull, it is irresistable to him. This is obvious because homeowner can't give up every tactical advantage fast enough, he can't even wait long enough to get dressed. He is like an alcoholic that hasn't had a drink for three days running after a bottle. While homeowners full attention is focused on the truck and Bubba (again irresistable to homeowners everywhere), Bad Guy in shadows takes the opportunity to walk into the house, and LOCKs homeowner outside in his underwear. He then has his way with the wife, throws some loot into his sack and hops out the window on the other side of the house while homeowner is torn between beating on the door and exchanging idle threats with Bubba. Any time Bubba thinks homeowner is getting too distracted with the house, he does something different like moving the truck or turning the headlights on or off. Homeowner responds like the puppet on a string that he is because homeowner reacts to Bubba, not the other way around. Bubba is dictating the course of events. Bubba can play with him all night if he wants, or kill him at will because puppet/homeowner is in front of the "curtain of light" provided by the trucks headlights; puppet/homeowner can't see what Bubba is doing behind the curtain of light.
    If homeowner ever starts actually thinking about his situation he eventually realizes that not only are his family not safe, he isn't either. He thought he was tough with the shotgun, but now realizes that he has Bubba in front of him behind hard cover (the truck), he has another guy behind him in the house, and that guy came from behind him - who else is behind him ?
    This is commonly known as walking into an ambush.
     
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  24. 12 Volt Man

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    I think I would have taken off my underwear so that when I crapped my pants there would be less of a mess. :D
    Anyway if this is a true story, he protected his house and family well. I think that with legal issues, if he had shot one of them he would have been better off to wait inside. It would have been a fatal mistake for them to come inside his house. It would suck bigtime to be 3 against one if all three were armed.
     
  25. Alan Fud

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    444, very good points. Another reason why discussing "hypotheticals" is beneficial.
     
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